Posted on 04/02/2015 6:17:59 PM PDT by Starman417
As the deadline for the end of negotiations has come and gone, an agreement has been reached.
An agreement to keep talking, that is.
Though we might yet be surprised, it's hard to imagine the US reaching a meaningful agreement with Iran regarding its nuclear ambitions.
Have you noticed that pronouncing "nucular" is no longer a gaffe since George Bush is no longer President?
Middle Eastern types tend not to make deals. Arab and Persian principles are and have long been built solidly on the shifting sands. They prefer the issue to the solution and Bill Clinton himself proved it. Clinton felt he had solved the Middle East problem in 2000 when the Arafat hit the fire:
In October of 2000, with the help of President Clinton, Palestinian Chairman Arafat and Israel's prime minister Ehud Barak tried to reach a final agreement in Camp David. In exchange for peace, Israel offered Arafat an independent Palestinian State, 95% of the West Bank and Gaza and half of Jerusalem as described in the history page. Arafat refused and the Palestinians started their homicide/suicide bombings and their current attempt to destroy Israel.Mr. Ben-Ami kept a diary of the peace talks with Arafat and the Palestinians at Camp David. In this interview he gives many details on how and why Arafat and the Palestinians refused peace and a state of their own. The bottom line is that the Palestinians are not interested in peace and Arafat lives within myths - practical matters are not his concern. Here are a few excerpts:
"After a time, Clinton became boiling mad and started shouting terribly. He told Abu Ala that this wasn't a speech at the United Nations, and that the Palestinians had to come up with positive proposals of their own. Clinton shouted that no one would be able to get everything he wanted and that he too would like to serve a third term as president, but he knew that was impossible. He turned completely red and finally got up and stalked out. Abu Ala was deeply offended. From that moment, almost the only thing he did at Camp David was drive around the lawns in a golf cart."
Clinton failed. Why?
Didn't the Palestinians make a counterproposal?More:"No. And that is the heart of the matter. Never, in the negotiations between us and the Palestinians, was there a Palestinian counterproposal. There never was and there never will be. So the Israeli negotiator always finds himself in a dilemma: Either I get up and walk out because these guys aren't ready to put forward proposals of their own, or I make another concession. In the end, even the most moderate negotiator reaches a point where he understands that there is no end to it."
"But there is something deeper here. Barak, as you known, is a Cartesian type. So what happened there between the cabins and the lawns of Maryland was really an encounter between a person who was looking for a rational settlement and another person who talks myths and embodies myths. And that encounter didn't work. In retrospect, I understand that it could never have worked. I believe today that no rational Israeli leader could have succeeded in reaching a settlement with Arafat at that encounter. The man is simply not built that way."
Why?
"Arafat is not an earthly leader. He sees himself as a mythological figure. He has always represented himself as a kind of modern Salah a-Din. Therefore, even the concrete real-estate issues don't interest him so much. At Camp David, it was clear that he wasn't looking for practical solutions, but was focused on mythological subjects: the right of return, Jerusalem, the Temple Mount. He floats on the heights of the Islamic ethos and the refugee ethos and the Palestinian ethos.
"Arafat's discourse is never practical, either. His sentences don't connect and aren't completed. There are words, there are sentences, there are metaphors - there is no clear position. The only things there are, are codes and nothing else. At the end of the process, you suddenly understand that you are not moving ahead in the negotiations because you are in fact negotiating with a myth.
Clinton himself explicitly recognized that reality when he addressed the Israel Policy Forum in New York on Sunday and urged the Palestinians not to hold out "for the impossible more."That is the Arab/Persian mentality in a nutshell and why agreements have eluded US Presidents and everyone else for pretty much forever."You cannot expect Israel," he said, "to acknowledge an unlimited right of return to present-day Israel."
Arafat could and did. Moreover, he stuck to his demand knowing that if there were a "right of return" for the estimated 4 million Palestinian refugees -- mostly the children and grandchildren of the original 650,000 refugees -- the Jewish population would very quickly cease to constitute a majority and Israel would, quite simply, cease to exist as a Jewish state.
It was an invitation for Israelis, already coming to terms with the painful division of Jerusalem and the prospect of brutally uprooting of settlements, to commit national suicide. They declined to accept it.
Why did Arafat, deliberately and knowingly, erect that insurmountable obstacle to a deal with Israel? Why is he persisting in allowing young Palestinians to receive military training in the certain knowledge that ultimately they will be no more than sacrificial lambs? And, most intriguing, why is he being encouraged to stick to his rejectionist guns by the most powerful leaders of the Arab world?
According to some Israeli analysts, Arafat is simply incapable, psychologically or politically, of bringing himself to declare an end to the conflict with Israel.
It is unlikely many remember when these talks actually began. It was in 2009 and back then Iran agreed to ship its enriched uranium to Russia for processing.
Hold that thought.
For more than five years Iran has played rope a dope with Hillary, John Kerry and Barack Obama. They have seen some sanctions lifted as a measure of good will and in return Iran has set up and attacked a mock up of a US aircraft carrier, screamed "Death to America" and declared that the eradication of Israel is "non negotiable."
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Liberal peasants actually believe that their leaders have their best interests in heart. Even faced with the reality of Obamacare, that premiums are higher and benefits are worse, they can’t believe that it’s not better.
That is because liberals are so brain-washed by their leaders that they would literally like lemmings leap off the cliff by following them...it is that simple!
Obama is already blaming Congress for the time this falls apart
“If Iran cheats, the world will know it.” And millions of dead Americans will know it!
Iranians are stupider than Obama voters. They should have exterminated their government years ago. Exterminated that sick religion years ago. I hope Israel wipes them off the face of the planet.
If Iran cheats (which it will), the world will know it, but Obama will read about it in the newspaper
Why don’t you just call Obama and complain
His personal cell phone number is........
1-800-A zz Hole
Reagan should have destroyed the Iranian gov’t w/in his 1st few months after taking Office. That would have been a nice “thank you” gift for the return of our hostages.
I doubt if the Shah could have returned to power (I doubt it), but the threats against both US & Israel could have been diminished significantly, & we would not be worrying about nuclear weapons in the Iranians hands today had he taken action early on.
Too bad we have a Congress that kisses Obama’s rear end the way they do every chance they get. Obama should have been impeached by the House already, regardless of whether or not the Senate would have found him guilty.
They might have but one of the very first things the ayatollah did was go door to door and collect all of the privately owned guns.
Obama Droppings Piled Up High Today
The Palestinians will only negotiate when there is a very sharp knife at their throat
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