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To: Nero Germanicus
I’m not talkng about opinions, I’m discussing documentary evidence that is admissible under the Federal Rules of Evidence.

And as usual, I am pointing out that even though the great and lofty "Federal Rules of Evidence" say it's good, it doesn't actually PROVE ANYTHING FACTUAL.

You see, this is the difference between a procedure bound institution and a clear thinker.

Both Honolulu newspapers have confirmed that they did not accept birth notices from family members or friends, only directly from the Health Bureau. That’s why the section of the newspaper was called “Health Bureau Statistics.”

And as has been pointed out innumerable times, if Grandma filed the paperwork, then the Health Bureau generated the newspaper announcements automatically.

The burden of proof for all of your “coulds” lies with the challengers. Over seven years of trying they have not been able to meet that burden.

Procedure bound dinosaurs will be procedure bound dinosaurs. I hear Galileo (who was ACTUALLY RIGHT) had a hard time convincing authorities too.

How would one go about confirming a home birth fifty four years later when the name and signature of an attending physician at Kapi’olani Hospital is on the birth certificate, signed on August 8, 1961?

And as has been pointed out before, the Hawaiian procedures allow for an examination of the child for up to a year after birth, and whatever physician examines that child will be listed as the doctor signing the birth certificate.

You are really just blatantly ignoring all the weirdities and abnormalities of Hawaiian birth certificate law. Everyone that tacitly looks at this just assumes that everything is done according to the normal processes they are familiar with. That Hawaii is really a weird bird when it comes to birth certificates (because they have made a cottage industry out of giving them to foreigners all across the pacific rim for half a century), never enters their mind. They just assume Hawaii is just like all the other states when it is not.

Their laws reflect their needs and desires. Selling American citizenship would be a pretty lucrative effort for them after World War II.

147 posted on 01/24/2015 2:01:15 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

The operative word in your post is “IF.” I don’t know how anyone would go about proving that Madelyn Dunham submitted any paperwork what is now 54 years later. There is a certified birth record with an attending physician’s signature and a local registrar’s signature. The local registrar is still alive at 92 years of age and has confirmed her signature and the widow of the attending physician has confirmed his signature.

Obama has his souvenir keepsake birth certificate from Kapi’olani Hospital, with his infant footprints.

As far as federal law is concerned, the primary evidence that can be produced to confirm citizenship and identity is a U.S. Passport. Birth certificates are considered to be “secondary evidence.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/435.407


149 posted on 01/24/2015 3:18:09 PM PST by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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