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The operative word in your post is “IF.” I don’t know how anyone would go about proving that Madelyn Dunham submitted any paperwork what is now 54 years later. There is a certified birth record with an attending physician’s signature and a local registrar’s signature. The local registrar is still alive at 92 years of age and has confirmed her signature and the widow of the attending physician has confirmed his signature.

Obama has his souvenir keepsake birth certificate from Kapi’olani Hospital, with his infant footprints.

As far as federal law is concerned, the primary evidence that can be produced to confirm citizenship and identity is a U.S. Passport. Birth certificates are considered to be “secondary evidence.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/435.407

‘Obama has his souvenir keepsake birth certificate from Kapi’olani Hospital, with his infant footprints.’

Omc! Thank you, thank you for this hysterically hilarious comment. I literally can’t stop laughing. What a funny line! You are outdoing yourself this time; are you here all week? Should we try the veal?

You do realize that you are probably the only person in the world who believes this story? Obama has told various versions of it. He’s always alone in a big house and something causes him to look through his mother’s papers. In the first version of the fairytale, Obama finds his original LFBC. In a later version of the same story, he finds a souvenir BC.

Of course no one has ever seen either BC. They are just figments of the Pathological Liar’s diseased brain. But the souvenir story is definitely the funniest. He touts it as his ultimate victory over the birthers.

& you are the only person alive, probably, who believes him. I.e.: who believes in the existence of a piece of paper whose only witness is a pathological liar. You actually believe Obama can triumph over the birthers via a piece of paper no one has ever seen.

You filled your pool with Kool Aid and dove in at the deep end. Nothing else could explain it.

“There is a certified birth record with an attending physician’s signature and a local registrar’s signature. The local registrar is still alive at 92 years of age and has confirmed her signature and the widow of the attending physician has confirmed his signature.”

Well they’re lying. HI confirmed to CNN that Obama’s LFBC had been discarded in 2001 and no longer existed/exists:

‘NEW YORK, July 24 (UPI) — CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” the controversy over President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a “dead story.”

Klein wrote in an e-mail to staffers Thursday that CNN researchers had determined Hawaiian officials discarded paper birth documents in 2001. Thus, he said, Obama’s long-form birth certificate no longer exists, and a shorter certificate that is public is the official record.

“It seems to definitively answer the question,” Klein wrote in the e-mail, first reported by the Web site TVNewser. “Since the show’s mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite (sic). And then it seems this story is dead — because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.”’

The operative word in your post is “IF.”

I agree. There shouldn't be any "If's". The office of the Presidency is too important to tolerate the possibility of an "If." Unfortunately we decided that the "If's" didn't exist and treated everything as if it were known to be valid.

I don’t know how anyone would go about proving that Madelyn Dunham submitted any paperwork what is now 54 years later.

You don't have to prove she did if you can prove she didn't. If there is a hospital record somewhere showing unequivocally that Stanley Ann birthed Barry at that location, *THAT* issue is put to bed. But *IF* Madelyn Dunham did fill out paperwork alleging an "at home" birth, then it should be in the Hawaiian files somewhere. You know, those files that they won't let anyone see and insist everyone should just take their word for it.

There is a certified birth record with an attending physician’s signature and a local registrar’s signature. The local registrar is still alive at 92 years of age and has confirmed her signature and the widow of the attending physician has confirmed his signature.

That's what you said. This is what I heard:

Nero Germanicus: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

Now see here, you are again deflecting from the centural point by alluding to the bird's lovely plumage. I have no doubt that a Madelyn Dunham produced birth certificate would have also had a beautiful example of the physician's and registrars signature, but the main issue here is that none of your "proof" contradicts this alternative explanation!

Or as I would say: "The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead."

O: No no! 'E's pining!
C: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies!
'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig!
'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!
THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

You ought to cease pointing out the obvious and focus on refuting the central point. That every piece of evidence you present can also be explained by an at home birth certificate created by Madelyn Dunham merely filling out paperwork. None of it establishes his physical presence in Hawaii at the time of his birth.

Obama has his souvenir keepsake birth certificate from Kapi’olani Hospital, with his infant footprints.

You've seen this? I haven't seen this. Why didn't you produce it. That would be better evidence than anything put forth so far.

As far as federal law is concerned, the primary evidence that can be produced to confirm citizenship and identity is a U.S. Passport. Birth certificates are considered to be “secondary evidence.”

And yet one is the consequence of the other. See how mixed up is the "Federal law" regarding such things?

The crux of the issue, barring an offshore birth- is what did the founding fathers intend by using the plural of citizen parent?

Their intent was to disqualify a foreign influenced candidate. PERIOD!

The criteria only applies to two job openings; the Presidency, and the Vice Presidency.

The genius is that the population can be a million, one hundred million, three hundred million, or six hundred million. No matter the population count, the qualifier is to be born of citizen parents. In other words: LOYALTY.

One need only look at the disloyalty being conveyed by little Barry Soetoro / Barry Soebarkah / Barack Hussein Obama... to grasp the intent of the parameters set for the highest office in the nation. God, guns and guts. Hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet. Obama is the quintessential example of what the founding fathers were trying to prevent.

Preventing loyalty to someone, to something, or to somewhere else- other than this (our) country, was the purpose for holding the qualifications of presidency to a higher standard than any other. WHAT FURTHER EXAMPLE IS NEEDED?

YES! I am saying that there are four forms of citizenship. 1- By birth- one parent a US citizen and YOU were born here- 2- YOU were born elsewhere but to a US citizen- 3- You came here via legal immigration, and over time became a US citizen; and 4- YOU were born to parents that were both US citizens (already.) The latter being the qualifier for Presidency. ALL other government jobs are open to those born to one US parent or to those migrating here legally.

IT AIN'T COMPLICATED!!!

Using such criteria- Obama is out with only a single qualifying parent, and- sadly, Ted Cruz is out for the same reason. Flame away. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Bottom line- you want to be president of the USA? Be born to two US citizen parents, and you have met the founder's threshold or intent! Of course- it really doesn't matter now- seeing how we have devolved into a banana republic.

That being said; I would vote for Ted Cruz in a heartbeat, whether he had only one citizen parent at birth, or because he was otherwise born in Tim-Buk-Tu.

Yee old cat's out of the bag.