Posted on 12/15/2014 9:55:49 PM PST by INVAR
Did you miss the entire point of why this reference was posted?
History is a perfect teacher. Yet so many delude themselves into thinking it does not apply to us at this time.
You can pump yourself up with all the false bravado and rah-rah patriotism you can muster, and it will not change the fact of what has been done to us, where we have arrived and what our condition is.
A 'fighting' spirit that thinks it can endure and win by ignoring reality because of Normalcy Bias is a spirit that is already defeated, it just does not know it yet. Just ask the editors of the Munich Post.
If we're going to fight for what is left of our liberty - we are going to have to get our minds out of the past and recognize the ground we are standing on and that our enemy has the heights.
Practicing insanity by thinking we can just vote more Republicans and 'win' in the face of a fundamentally transformed government that is now a tyranny, is the height of willful ignorance.
You cannot fight a tyranny via civil means.
Our Founders, did not lie to themselves about where they stood and what the conditions were that they found themselves in.
They understood and accepted the truth.
The Crown and Parliament was lawless. It was a tyranny that intended to kill them and force the colonies into subjection by force. They decided it had no moral authority over them any longer, and they rebelled.
They did not continue to lie to themselves when the tyranny was self-evident that repeated petitions and prostrating themselves before the throne was going to alleviate their condition.
If the spirit of liberty is going to survive - it better get itself out of subjugated and fundamentally transformed thinking. A spirit of liberty would recognize that this federal government no longer has any moral authority over We the People, even if half of our countrymen prefer to live as slaves.
You cannot defeat a lawless tyranny via civil means.
You better let John Adams' following words sink in, because what he wrote was not just an understanding of history and human nature, but I am convinced a prophetic warning:
"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it." John Adams, Letter to Abigail 1775
It can never happen here
is the greatest friend to those who would have it happen here.
Look how much they have already robbed from us with nary a whimper from We The People. Weapons in our hands are useless if we do not have the will to use them,
This.
This is utterly and completely true.
[Theoretical] Ability means nothing without will, as it can never be exercised w/o will.
and too many folks do not notice our transformation because we are making the mistake of identifying ‘freedom’ with the forms, not understanding the spirit of liberty has changed to one of dependence, safety and security.
Aye — And far too many people are willing, able, and eager to throw away freedom/liberty when it suits their convenience or particular moral-opinion. How many people support (e.g.) the encroachments on the Fourth amendment by War on Drugs because they're druggies
/they're gang/cartel members
? Or, from this thread, how many even here on a conservative
site are willing to justify torture because they're terrorists
? (As if who it's done to somehow impacts the moral rightness of the action itself rather than the action itself being judged as a moral wrong.)
“Continuing at this descent into madness however, some day someone just like Hitler will.”
In one more generation, it can be done. When those of us that know our history and the Constitution are gone, the dumbed down ignorant younger generation will not fight back. Or even know they need to.
“We were ‘special’ only by the Grace of God for the purpose of this people living and fulfilling the Law of God and the Gospel without interference from the rulers of men.”
You hit the nail on the head. We can’t proclaim our uniqueness based on past glories. Removing God has consequences, and there is no extent to the depths people will descend to under Satan’s influence.
I was contemplating today why there is such a difference between my neighbors in California (self-centered, rude, concerned only about their ‘rights’, noisy, inconsiderate) and my new neighbors in rural Tennessee (they actually are neighborly, kind, caring). My conclusion is that most in Tennessee go to church. They talk about it openly, matter of factly.
Exclude God and behavior changes.
“Look how much they have already robbed from us with nary a whimper from We The People. Weapons in our hands are useless if we do not have the will to use them, and too many folks do not notice our transformation because we are making the mistake of identifying ‘freedom’ with the forms, not understanding the spirit of liberty has changed to one of dependence, safety and security.”
That’s why we’re moving to a rural conservative area, will keep our taxable income low so as to not feed the fascist beast, and will wait for CWII.
“You cannot fight a tyranny via civil means.”
Exactly. The only hope for what this country once was is to build on the ashes of the corrupt nation.
Well, given what happened in Ferguson, apparently never.
Like I said - Normalcy Bias. The Jews in 30's Europe refused to believe what was happened to them, even when being lined up in front of gas chambers.
Methinks we are no different.
Some saw it and left. But just a few compared to the masses.
I was so disgusted watching the DA in Ferguson tripping all over himself to be politically correct. NOBODY wants to tell the unvarnished truth any more.
Oh, except us here. But then we are marginalized and made fun of. Cloward-Pivan at work.
That’s why we’re moving, sooner when we don’t really have enough money saved, rather than later when we’d have enough money but it could be too late. I want to be around like-minded people. And if there is no CWII, then at least I’ll die in what seems like the US (with English spoken).
It really is hard to have hope, isn’t it?
It could be done right now. We’d just sit here and type what an outrage it is. I could list dozens of reasons to fight now. But really, it doesn’t matter. America is dead.
Obama got away with amnesty, they got away with abortion, they could come take the guns and nobody would shoot. Just complain.
I don’t think you’re listening.
The first and only thing that really matters is the spirit of Liberty. When you speak of this spirit as though it were dead, you are its enemy.
“What has been done to us” is ultimately a losing strategy. This can be seen in the fact that no matter how many times it is said that “they’re doing it in plain sight” or “they’re telling us right to our faces,” the tyrants are still afraid of the people and they work under cover of darkness.
Evil is not a strength but a great weakness.
Subjugated thinking is what you’re preaching.
“It could be done right now. We’d just sit here and type what an outrage it is. I could list dozens of reasons to fight now. But really, it doesn’t matter. America is dead.”
I agree. We would need to be organized. And have a plan to bring in more people, lots of them. With the dumbing down in our schools and the materialistic self-absorption that may not be possible until a catastrophic event occurs that jars people awake occurs, like economic collapse.
That’s why we’re escaping Mexifornia to a rural conservative area. A place that is still rebellious, suspicious of government, has old-fashioned values, and is heavily armed. We’ll be ready, should it start.
But trying to act alone will only get you Ruby Ridged.
All you are is a wishful thinker, a hoped-for optimist that thinks platitudes can overcome an enemy.
You speak without any understanding or experience of fighting and combat. You also speak with gross ignorance of our own history in terms of what it took to kindle the spirit of Independence from the Crown. I can assure you, ‘what is being done to us’ was not a losing strategy.
Tyrants are NEVER afraid of those they rule. It is how they make decrees and pass omnibus budgets that fund a dictatorship.
Your wishful thinking blinds you to reality. Someone like you could NEVER win a single skirmish or an alley fight, much less a war to retain what is left of your liberty.
And a feel-good Osteen-ish power of positive thinking seminar is yours.
You are the one who is busy telling us that we do not live in a tyranny and that what is going on is weakness, so don't worry - be happy.
“It could be done right now. We’d just sit here and type what an outrage it is. I could list dozens of reasons to fight now. But really, it doesn’t matter. America is dead.
Obama got away with amnesty, they got away with abortion, they could come take the guns and nobody would shoot. Just complain.”
It wasn’t just Obama. It’s been every administration.
Reagan started the WOD which has now been abused to the point that police depts are little more than organized thieves.
GWB gave us the Patriot Act.
As long as politics remains a spectator sport it’s going to be that way. I’m ok losing my freedoms as long as it’s the right team that implements it.
You’re also correct that nobody is going to do anything about it other than carp about what an outrage it is.
Like it or not the NWO is happening. A bunch John Wayne sounding slogans and an NRA bumpersticker isn’t going to stop the constant stead crush.
You challenge from ignorance. But I remind you it is not my ability to fight on the streets that we are discussing.
“Fighting and combat” is only the product. It is not the source.
When you tell people their spirit of liberty is dead, you’re working for the tyrants.
You keep projecting.
I never told anyone that their spirit of liberty is dead. YOU were the one in post 18 who declared that MY spirit of liberty was dead.
By your own words, that would make YOU the one who is working for the tyrants.
After all, you are the one to take issue with the fact that we have been fundamentally transformed into living in a Post-Constitutional Imperial Fascist Oligarchy.
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