First you ask for ‘tertiary’ or ‘third hand hearsay’ evidence that she was in Hawaii during her pregnancy and when I provide that you move the goal posts and start asking for something ‘more solid’. Why?
Obama Sr’s and Dunham’s marriage is recorded in the Hawaii Marriage Index 1960-1965 and also in the affidavits relating to their divorce (including actual date which was during her pregnancy). You’ve claimed there’s no evidence whatsoever. There is.
Any evidence that she was in Kenya during her pregnancy? No? Thought not but that’s not so surprising for birthers; they have a history of making unsupported claims and then moving the goal posts or vigorous handwaving when they’re called on it.
I’m not sure the wedding is as well documented as you imagine. Here’s how Bill Ayers, described it, in Dreams from my Father:
‘”How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I have never quite had the courage to explore. There’s no record of a real wedding, a cake, a ring, a giving away of the bride. No families were in attendance; it’s not even clear that people back in Kansas were informed.”’
Here’s what Micelle Obama had to say: ‘His own mother [Stanley Ann], she[Michelle Obama] said at the beginning of her remarks, was “very young and very single when she had him.”’
There is also the fact that Obama Sr. was already married. How eager he was to become a bigamist at that point in his American academic career I don’t know. It seems to take a fair share of blind faith to believe the wedding narrative. Where was Stanley Ann living before she hopped a plane to Maui? Not with O Sr.; she never lived with him. How was she supporting herself? Did she have a job?
If a line in a marriage index is all the evidence you need, then clearly we are wasting each other’s time. I wonder if that ‘documentation’ has ever been disputed? Would you admit it, if it had? Or if it favors Obama do you simply accept it blindly?
Do you consider that one data point as sufficient evidence that Stanley Ann spent the entire nine mos on HI? Does one line in an index prove that to you? I’m not talking about me, now, or what I believe. I am curious. Do you believe that one line in a marriage index proves a 9 mos residency. Bet you will dodge this one. I’ve lost all faith in the honesty of anti-birthers. All.
Btw, Natufian, you need to go back to my first post. I said very clearly, in so many words, I was not going on to Step Two unless and until there was a Step One. So all your huffing and puffing & hot air about whether there is evidence of a Kenyan birth is moot. I was crystal clear about what I would discuss, on what conditions & in what order. If you don’t remember what I said, go back and reread it.
This endemic nastiness of anti-birthers gets old fast. Are you all just very, very miserable people? Otherwise, why all the jerkishness? What do you lose by being civil once in a blue moon?
Looks like we need to add another item to the ‘marriage doubter’ index:
“Cashill also notes that immigration authorities certainly wondered about an Obama-Dunham marriage. An April 1961 memo notes, “If his USC [United States Citizen] wife tries to petition for [Obama Sr.] make sure an investigation is conducted as to the bona-fide of the marriage.”
Bottom line: There is no primary documentation of a marriage. There is no marriage license. There is no state-issued marriage certificate.
But there is a line in a birth index, correct? A never-disputed, entirely authentic line, no doubt. Just like the birth announcements, listing an address at which neither Obama Sr. or Stanley Ann ever lived. But that’s the usual. I.e.: all HI birth announcements list bogus addresses. It’s just one of those quaint customs so familiar/unique to the Hawaiin Islands.