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Greenfield: The Democratic Party’s Civil War is Here
Sultan Knish blog ^ | Sunday, November 09, 2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 11/09/2014 2:53:10 PM PST by Louis Foxwell

Sunday, November 09, 2014

The Democratic Party’s Civil War is Here

Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog

There are really two Democratic parties.

One is the old corrupt party of thieves and crooks. Its politicians, black and white, are the products of political machines. They believe in absolutely nothing. They can go from being Dixiecrats to crying racism, from running on family values to pushing gay marriage and the War on Women.

They will say absolutely anything to get elected.

Cunning, but not bright, they are able campaigners. Reformers underestimate them at their own peril because they are determined to win at all costs.

The other Democratic Party is progressive. Its members are radical leftists working within the system. They are natural technocrats and their agendas are full of big projects. They function as community organizers, radicalizing and transforming neighborhoods, cities, states and even the country.

They want to win, but it’s a subset of their bigger agenda. Their goal is to transform the country. If they can do that by winning elections, they’ll win them. But if they can’t, they’ll still follow their agenda.

Sometimes the two Democratic parties blend together really well. Bill Clinton combined the good ol' boy corruption and radical leftist politics of both parties into one package. The secret to his success was that he understood that most Democrats, voters or politicians, didn’t care about his politics, they wanted more practical things. He made sure that his leftist radicalism played second fiddle to their corruption.

Bill Clinton convinced old Dems that he was their man first. Obama stopped pretending to be anything but a hard core progressive.

The 2014 election was a collision course between the two Democratic parties. The aides and staffers spilling dirt into the pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post and Politico reveal that the crackup had been coming for some time now. Now the two Democratic parties are coming apart.

Reid is blaming Obama. The White House is blaming Reid. This isn’t just a showdown between two arrogant men. It’s a battle between two ideas of what the Democratic Party should be.

Senate Dems chose to back away from Obama to appeal to Middle America. Obama wanted to double down on his 2012 strategy of energizing the base at the expense of moderate voters. Reid and his gang are complaining that Obama didn’t back away far enough from them. Instead he reminded voters in the final stretch that the senators were there to pass his agenda. Obama’s people are dismissing them as cowards for not taking him to battleground states and running on positions even further to the left.

Reid’s people think that Obama deliberately tied them to him and that’s probably true. It’s not just about Obama’s ego. His campaigns and his time in office were meant to showcase the progressive position that the only way to win was from the left. Obama and his people would rather radicalize the Democratic Party and lose, than moderate their positions and stand a chance of winning.

The left isn’t interested in being a political flirtation. It nukes any attempt at centrism to send the message that its allies will not be allowed any other alternative except to live or die by its agenda.

Obama deliberately sabotaged Reid’s campaign plans, as Reid’s chief of staff discussed, because that strategy involved disavowing Obama and his legacy. In the time honored tradition of the radical left, Obama would rather have a Republican senate than a Democratic senate won by going to the center.

Republicans benefited from a Democratic civil war. They were running a traditional campaign against a more traditional part of the Democratic Party. They didn’t really beat the left. They beat the old Dems.

The old Dems were crippled by the progressive agenda. They were pretending to be moderates while ObamaCare, illegal alien amnesty and gay marriage were looking over their shoulders. They married Obama and it was too late for them to get a divorce. And it doesn’t look any better down the road.

The Clintons became the public face of the Democrats, but Instead of turning things around, they presided over a series of defeats. Bill Clinton couldn’t even save Mark Pryor in Arkansas. Not only that, he had to watch Republicans take every congressional seat in Arkansas and the governor’s mansion.

Bill had wanted Hillary to play Sarah Palin, turning her into a kingmaker and building on a narrative of female empowerment by having her back female senators. Instead Kay Hagan, Michelle Nunn, Alison Lundergan Grimes and Amanda Curtis lost. Not only did Hillary Clinton fail to deliver, but the War on Women narrative was turned inside out by the rise of Joni Ernst. Ernst’s emergence as the definitive new senator of the election killed any chance that Democrats had of spinning the election results as sexist; even if Harkin’s Taylor Swift crack hadn’t done that on its own.

The Dems had gambled that the War on Women could offset Obama’s unpopularity, but voters were more concerned about the economy than the culture war. Not only novelty candidates like Wendy Davis, but incumbents like Mark Udall, tried for what they thought was a winning strategy.

But the War on Women wasn’t a strategy, it was a fake talking point that their own consultants had forgotten to tell them was disinformation that they had created to seed the media and spread fear among Republicans. Romney had won white women in every age group.

Increased turnout by minority women had skewed the numbers, but those numbers reflected racial solidarity, not a gender gap. Progressives had not bothered to tell their old Dem cousins what they were doing. The Senate Dems marched into political oblivion by adopting the Wendy Davis platform to the bafflement and ridicule of female voters.

The War on Women meme was greeted with laughter in New York and Colorado. Senator Udall was dubbed Mark Uterus by his own supporters and performed worse with female voters than in 2008. Meanwhile in Iowa, Joni Ernst had split the female vote which Harkin had won by 64 percent in 2008.

Not only did Hillary Clinton do more damage to her brand by failing to deliver white and women voters, but the Democratic Party is stunned, confused and divided. And the damage is self-inflicted.

The Clintons thought that they could reunite a splintering Democratic Party by taking on a Republican midterm election wave. Obama sabotaged Reid to keep the Democratic Party leaning to the left. Reid is now attacking Obama openly in a way that would have been inconceivable a year ago. Obama’s people are returning the favor by going after Reid and Schumer. The war of the two parties has begun.

The old Dems have no ideas and no agenda. The progressives want to get as much of their agenda done even if it’s by executive order and even if it makes them even more unpopular than they are now. The old Dems have realized that they are the ones who will pay a political price for progressive radicalism.

And waiting in the wings is the 2016 election.

Obama has made it clear that he is willing to nuke his own party to get amnesty done. But for the first time his party seems less than eager to sacrifice its short term greed for the agendas of the left. And the only man who could tie the two wings together has emerged weakened from the Battle of Arkansas.

Amnesty promises radical demographic change, but red state Dems want to protect their positions today. They aren’t doing it for the ideology. They want to stay in office. The mutual backstabbing ended in disaster for the Democrats and there’s no reason to think that the backstabbing is going to stop.

Obama won’t just have to fight Republicans for the next two years. He’ll also have to fight Democrats.


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To: logic101.net
I strongly object to allowing the radical Socialist/Fascist/Commies the term “progressive”.

They think that they are progressing toward a marxist utopia

41 posted on 11/09/2014 4:26:35 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Lurker; Louis Foxwell

They have the ammo - the ultimate weapon if Biden, Reid, and other old Democrats can pull enough of Zero’s top appointees to their side. The big question is whether zero’s cabinet has enough old D’s to invoke the 25th amendment clause 4.

Biden and a majority of the cabinet could declare him “unable to discharge the powers and duties of the Office....” While he would immediately send his “written declaration that no inability exists” the VP and a “majority of the principal officers of the executive department” (Cabinet) could within four days confirm that the “President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office” and let Congress “decide the issue” by a 2/3 vote of both houses.

Much has been written about the mental state of Obama - and even the press is now questioning his inability to grasp the rejection of his policies (and him personally). It may take an open meltdown of some sort to confirm his mental and emotional inability to function as President - and his recent snap at Biden is a start - but as Democrats are themselves ready to revolt rather than find themselves totally eviscerated at the next election, they may find the 25th amendment their way out.

Some will argue that this section of the amendment was only intended to deal with physical incapacity such as by stroke or heart attack - but clearly there was an intent that mental problems where the President would try to argue he is not incapacitated while others see that he is was clearly contemplated - thus the second round and decision by the Congress in an expedited fashion being provided for. Howard Baker was given a memo when he became chief of staff suggesting the 25th amendment should be invoked to remove Reagan from office after Iran-Contra due to psychological issues, laziness, ... - all of which have been fully exhibited by Obama. Baker and others observed Reagan and found the allegations meritless - has anyone prepared such a memo regarding the current resident of the Whitehouse?

Quicker and cleaner than impeachment, keeps their policies above the fray, and simply takes out what has only become a liability for the next two years. Yes, we’ll have to deal with Biden as President - but he can’t do nearly the damage to the Democratic party that Obama is doing - so if there are rational minds they ultimately will consider their options.


42 posted on 11/09/2014 4:31:01 PM PST by LibertyOh
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To: Louis Foxwell
let the blood flow...

43 posted on 11/09/2014 4:31:40 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: wiggen
Outside of Coumo i do’nt see who can take the nomination from her.

Eight years ago, would you have guess an unknown named Barak Obama could have beaten her? I think maybe Jerry Brown could take it from her.

44 posted on 11/09/2014 4:33:19 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: wiggen
Outside of Coumo i do’nt see who can take the nomination from her.

I don't think they are interested in fielding a good candidate in 16.

They are leaving a steaming pile for the republicans to clean up. Once it's easy sailing again, they will reappear to point out that the world isn't perfect and only they can make it so.

45 posted on 11/09/2014 4:35:15 PM PST by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Good, if it is true let them battle it out.
But .. the Repubs, if THEY don't want to get wiped out in 2016, need to focus on governing and passing good legislation and EDUCATE THE ELECTORATE in the next 2 years as to why conservative ideas and values are America's ideas and values.
The Repubs need to ignore what the Dems are doing within their own party and keep their nose to the “grindstone” and pass/repeal legislation to get the economy going and dismantle Obamacare.
46 posted on 11/09/2014 4:35:32 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: Louis Foxwell
The old Dems were crippled by the progressive agenda.

Yes, but they've gone all in on it. The "Centrist Democrat" has become fairly extinct.
47 posted on 11/09/2014 4:37:22 PM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Capt. Tom

The Democrat Party became the Socialist Party a century ago. It’s a Communist Party now. The GOP, alas, is Socialist, and will be until it dismantles the Socialist big government state constructed over the past century.


48 posted on 11/09/2014 4:43:04 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: LibertyOh

Bookmarked... The question begs, does he come unglued, use the F-Bomb in such a manner it has many snatching their heads and being to ask the 25th Amendment Question, as it is not done in a Dick Cheney fashion with Leaky Leahy.


49 posted on 11/09/2014 4:50:38 PM PST by taildragger (Not my Circus, Not my Monkey ( Boy does that apply to DC...))
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To: Louis Foxwell

Put me on the ping list, please FRiend.

This guy is outstanding!


50 posted on 11/09/2014 4:56:02 PM PST by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: Steely Tom
I hope he made it back to you.

Yes, thanks for asking. Dad had a nearly 30-year Navy career and is now 78 and in an Alzheimer's care facility. I'm going to visit him and Mom later this week. It was easier for him after the war than for many, I think, because he was a career officer: he joined in the late 1950s and retired in the mid-80s.

[...] Crazy old dingbats like Pelosi, bottom-feeder mouth-breathers like Reid and Schumer.

Daniel Greenfield seems to consider them a different "party" from the Hayden, Dohrn, Ayers, Obama, Jarrett, etc., group. Perhaps it would be more accurate to consider them some fossilized evolutionary offshoots ... ones who didn't have that certain je ne sais quoi that makes an ideological rock star, but more than made up for it with what they could steal.

51 posted on 11/09/2014 5:05:25 PM PST by Tax-chick (You are never far from a spider.)
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To: LibertyOh

Sounds like a scene out of 24.


52 posted on 11/09/2014 5:20:30 PM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: Louis Foxwell

I would submit that candidates like Udall and Abortion Barbie lost because their idea of the culture war was rejected by people who still believe the culture war is worth fighting.

And, of course, it is.


53 posted on 11/09/2014 5:26:08 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: 98ZJ USMC; All

In the “successfull” socialist revolutions, like in Russia, Germany (National Socialist Party), China, Cuba, and such, this sort of conflict was resolved by the “radicals” lining up the more moderates at the wall or sending them to the Gulag. Because we still have pieces of the Constitution working here (the Internet allows a fraction of free speech) that option is not available to them...

I suspect Obama and allies seriously regret that. It would not be hard for me to see Obama ordering the arrest of Reid as an “enemy of the people” for criticizing Obama.


54 posted on 11/09/2014 5:29:18 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Louis Foxwell
The howling and gnashing of teeth on DummyUnderground is a sight to behold. Actually it's a site to laugh at all the numbskulls traumatized by the recent election. According to the Dummies it's back to the Middle Ages with women burned at the stake for using contraceptions.

The evil one percent have all the money, and everybody else will be starving wraithes begging for pennies and scraps of food. The temperature everywhere will soon turn to broiling hot...even in the arctic regions. A Republican congress will now invade Canada, Mexico, and fire nuclear missiles at Russia...and exterminate all Muslims and arrest all libs/leftists and throw them into prison. Slavery will be reintroduced.

That's the mindset of most of the people on that website.

55 posted on 11/09/2014 5:30:25 PM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

This is the second coming of Chicago ‘68 for the Democrat party. The lunatics are looking to push it even further to the left. This is what Obama is fully about doing. He’s one of the lunatics. He’s not in any sense of the word a politician. He’s a bald-faced dictatorial ideologue.


56 posted on 11/09/2014 5:31:47 PM PST by headstamp 2
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To: Steely Tom
Pretty well nailed it ST. And don't forget George Wallace who ran third party and won five Southern states with 46 electoral votes.
57 posted on 11/09/2014 5:32:14 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Louis Foxwell
Small comment to throw some salt into the democrat wound... "Patrick thumped Van de Putte among Hispanic men, 53-46."
58 posted on 11/09/2014 5:46:28 PM PST by GOPJ ( MSNBC is left-wing radio with pictures. CNN's anchors are mostly tired, left-wing & smug.. -Nolte)
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To: Louis Foxwell

pfl


59 posted on 11/09/2014 5:53:00 PM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Obama won’t just have to fight Republicans for the next two years. He’ll also have to fight Democrats.

Which is EXACTLY why I've posted on other threads that should Obama ram through executive amnesty, the Republican's can easily peel off 4-6 Democrat Senators to impeach and remove Obama.

The only problem with that, is Boehner doesn't have the balls to impeach Obama in the House.

I'm betting there's more than a handful of Democrats in the Senate that wouldn't think twice about casting YES votes to impeach and remove Obama at this point.

60 posted on 11/09/2014 6:02:38 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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