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Tesla D Buyers Shouldn't Get Tax Credit
NLPC ^ | October 16, 2014 | Mark Modica

Posted on 10/16/2014 1:45:48 PM PDT by jazusamo


Tesla D and Elon Musk

Environmentally conscientious, wealthy car enthusiasts are in luck! The much-hyped "D" unveiling came last week as Tesla CEO, Elon Musk, presented what appears to be a very impressive version of its plug-in Model S electric car called the P85D. Boasting 691 horsepower, 687 ft/lb of torque, AWD and a blazing 3.2 second zero to sixty time, the new rich peoples' toy is expected to cost in the neighborhood of $120,000. In fact, the car is so darn impressive that the only obvious question is why in the world do we need to give the affluent purchasers of cars like this a federal tax credit of $7,500 each?

I can see why General Motors would need subsidies to sell such cars as the Cadillac ELR (which lumbers through a zero to sixty time in a laborious 9.4 seconds) at a price of about $75,000. The car is essentially a gussied-up Chevy Volt and has been another embarrassment for GM. Tesla, on the other hand, has proven that it can muster demand for its vehicles.

Tesla and Elon Musk have done a more impressive job of bringing the politically-popular but thus far economically non-viable technology of electric vehicles to the masses. Tesla's recipe for success to date has been to make vehicles that can be afforded by only the wealthiest Americans while the rest of the population is expected to foot the bill for a portion of the cost in the form of tax credits.

The next test for the viability of electric cars will come when Tesla unveils its lower-priced versions of plug-in vehicles, something that is in the works. It will be a credit to Musk and his company if he is successful, but the challenges remain. Tesla does not have a dealer network, so getting service on the cars requires traveling to one of the few existing service sites in the country. Charging stations are still not widely available and have also required taxpayers to foot the bill for most of the installations. Finally, the long-term performance and possible issues for lithium-ion based battery technology are unknown. Add to these the question of Tesla's corporate profitability outlook. Can the company actually make enough money to thrive?

If electric vehicles are truly a viable alternative to traditional gas-powered cars, the technology should be able to grow in the free markets without billions of dollars of taxpayer money. Whatever the future holds for the electric car market and Tesla I think it is hard to argue against, at the least, stopping subsidies for buyers of any cars that cost over $50,000. The purchasers of such cars are people who want and can afford the vehicles. The newest Tesla that was just unveiled is sure to have a bunch of rich folks lined up to purchase the latest green wonder-car. There is no need for the rest of us to have to help them pay for it.

Mark Modica is an NLPC Associate Fellow.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: cadillacelr; efv; energy; gm; taxcredit; tesla; teslad
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I agree with Modica on limiting the tax credit according to the price of the car, I'd lower the max to $30,000 but preferably eliminate it all together.
1 posted on 10/16/2014 1:45:48 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Are there any cries of tax cuts for the rich?


2 posted on 10/16/2014 1:48:35 PM PDT by all the best
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To: all the best
Are there any cries of tax cuts for the rich?.

Musk is a regime supporter / crony capitalist.

The MSM only worries about wealthy conservatives.

I've thought for years Tesla stock was a slam dunk short but never bet against a well connected insider with infinite govt money to tap into.

3 posted on 10/16/2014 1:51:10 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: jazusamo

The Tax Credit has been a joke since it was implemented.

Any tax credit should have been multiplied by the % AMERICAN content, but that would have involved 3rd grade math, so would be far too complicated for congress.

Now that Tesla has shown the electric car to by viable, the tax credit needs to go away completely.

Let’s stop subsidizing rich guys cars. Even Democrats will agree with that it you put it in those terms.


4 posted on 10/16/2014 2:01:46 PM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: jazusamo
Tesla gets California ZEV credits for each Tesla sold, that they then turn around and sell to the other auto makers.

Were it not for the ZEV credit revenue, Tesla would lose money on every car sold.

5 posted on 10/16/2014 2:04:11 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: UNGN

Totally agree.


6 posted on 10/16/2014 2:05:04 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Yo-Yo

Yes, I’ve read that that’s where Musk is making the money off EVs.

I believe I read something a while back that CA may reduce or eliminate those credits, have you heard anything about that?


7 posted on 10/16/2014 2:08:32 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
I agree with Modica on limiting the tax credit according to the price of the car, I'd lower the max to $30,000 but preferably eliminate it all together.

By picking a number, you're falling for liberalism. There should be no tax credits. Period.

But if there is, there should be no number, and it should apply to the Tesla D!

8 posted on 10/16/2014 2:08:52 PM PDT by cynwoody
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9 posted on 10/16/2014 2:11:17 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: nascarnation

Usual game for liberals. Perks for them paid for by everyone else.

A while back they did a study of who was using the “free” charging stations in Ann Arbor Michigan. Turned out they were all 6 figure earners who could afford to pay for their own electricity. Most of them were UofM staff.


10 posted on 10/16/2014 2:15:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek
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To: cripplecreek

Interesting and not surprising.
My buddy’s (adult) daughter has a Tesla, works at a major drug company making six figures, and has a long commute.

The company installed a charging station, likely to get some type of tax credit/subsidy and/or fawning media coverage.

She was riding high on the free juice until another guy got a Chevy Volt and they started fighting over who got the plug every day, LOL.


11 posted on 10/16/2014 2:19:46 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: nascarnation

My uncle in Ann Arbor likes his Prius for around town driving but when I see him at thanksgiving he’ll drive his Tahoe the 60 miles to the old hometown.


12 posted on 10/16/2014 2:23:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek
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To: cripplecreek

With gas heading for 2.50/gal, we can all enjoy some heavy iron! God bless the frackers!


13 posted on 10/16/2014 2:24:32 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: jazusamo

Why should you get a tax cut for buying a frigging car?


14 posted on 10/16/2014 3:05:34 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

You shouldn’t. And the thing about this tax credit is that many lower wage earners and retirees don’t pay $7,500 in federal taxes so they can’t take advantage of it even should they buy a cheaper model. It should never have been implemented in the first place.


15 posted on 10/16/2014 3:13:08 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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16 posted on 10/16/2014 6:47:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jazusamo; Mark Modica; all the best; nascarnation; UNGN; Yo-Yo; cynwoody; cripplecreek; ...
Frozen pigs must be flying in hell, because Mark Modica and I actually agree about something. Cars over $50,000 should not get the tax credit. Buyers in the Tesla price range are unlikely to be swayed one way or the other by a $7,500 tax credit. Actually, it might be in Tesla's favor to change the law in this way.

The first 200,000 electric cars from each manufacturer are eligible for the credit. By implementing a $50,000 cutoff, Tesla could then “save” their remaining credits for their future $35,000 Model 3 that is set to come out in a couple of years. The current Model S has already gained traction in the market so why not save the credits for when they can make a bigger impact when the Model 3 comes to market? It is currently out of Tesla's hands at the moment and would have to be changed with federal legislation.

The democrats have suggested upping the tax credit to $10,000. I wonder if democrats and republicans could agree on a bill that said that only cars under $50,000 were eligible but that the credit would be $10,000.

How about an informal poll? If you had to choose today between A] the status quo or B] the above bill, what would you choose? (I know many would prefer option C] remove the credit altogether, but obviously that would not get past the Senate or the President's desk. I'm sure others would suggest option D] wait until we get a conservative President but polls suggest there is a significant chance Hillary might stop that from happening.)

What do you guys think?

17 posted on 10/16/2014 11:20:43 PM PDT by LogicDesigner
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Cars over $50,000 should not get the tax credit.

I think you're a moron.

There shouldn't be any tax credits. Period. Tesla, Toyota, Ford, Gubmint Motors (f-em). Doesn't matter.

The only legitimate role of taxation is to raise necessary revenue to fund the legitimate functions of the government.

It is not legitimate to use the tax code to influence behavior.

18 posted on 10/16/2014 11:31:03 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
“I think you're a moron. There shouldn't be any tax credits. Period.”

Okay, so if you were king of the U.S.A. you would remove the credits. Great. But in our current system of government, it sounds like you are choosing C] introduce a bill to remove the credit knowing that it would never get past the Senate or the White House. In effect your action would be to A] keep the tax credit the way it is.

19 posted on 10/17/2014 12:03:49 AM PDT by LogicDesigner
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To: LogicDesigner
Okay, so if you were king of the U.S.A. you would remove the credits. Great. But in our current system of government, it sounds like you are choosing C] introduce a bill to remove the credit knowing that it would never get past the Senate or the White House. In effect your action would be to A] keep the tax credit the way it is.

Admittedly, I haven't followed this legislation closely.

But it sounds as if the Donkees put the tax credit in, failing to foresee the result: a really neat, really expensive, luxury electric sports car complete with a gubmint discount.

My position is, we shouldn't allow them to fix their mistake without adopting our doctrinaire (Losertarian) position hook line and sinker!

It's a neat car. Elon Musk is really brilliant for a libtard. But no way should the gubmint be involved!!

20 posted on 10/17/2014 12:19:15 AM PDT by cynwoody
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