[af_vet_1981]

Haman had secular power, you know like the Catholic church as it practiced its AS. Seriously though, your faux outrage at Luther over his anti-semitism is getting old. You hate Luther, got it. But you apparently don't hate AS unless Luther did it. Luther is dead, the historically AS RC lives on. rehabilitate his reputation. He has no need of it, Lutheranism is based on the Bible and the Book of Concord, not Luther. It seems to me Sure does, talk about dissonance.

1. You wrote "Tell it, sing it out, I have no problem with it." It seems to me you did not really mean what you wrote.
2. You also wrote "Perhaps being that Nazis were nominal Catholics, they used the JATL the same way you appear to be, as an method of attack on the Reformation. Not in anyway calling you a Nazi," where it seems to me you did call me a Nazi.
3. Then, it seems to me, you offered a faux apology while trying to call me a Nazi admirer with "If that activity made it seem like that Nazi like tactic implied you were Nazi-like, I apologize. Using similar tactics of some group, doesn't mean you are a member of that group, it could mean you admire the perceived effectiveness of that group."
4. Afterward, it seems to me you tried a different ad hominem attack after being fooled, it seems to me, into believing a fictional TV show was reality TV with "Obama does apparently. U.S. President in ABC Prime Time: ‘Right to Bear Arms’ in Constitution and ‘So Was Slavery’., af_vet_1981 are you really 0bama? I mean you argue like him and all, now this story."
5. It seems to me, this was a deflection and you did not really want me to shine a light on evidence of Martin Luther's influence in the Holocaust.
6. I don't see much difference between Mohammed and Luther in this regard. Both hated the Jews because they would not be persuaded into joining either of the religious movements these men founded (perhaps meglomaniac is a more appropriate term). Enemies of the Jews used the writings of both these men to kill Jews, although those who celebrated Luther's book killed far more Jews, so far (that may change).
7. It seems to me that a religious movement built too much on the person of Martin Luther will be unable to honestly deal with his book, which was the blueprint for the Holocaust. His other very vulgar potty books cannot even be quoted here without editing them due to the coarseness and vulgarity of his language, yet they are further evidence something was seriously wrong with his spiritual condition. Vulgarity itself Sid not contribute to the mass murder however so I focus on his crimes against the Jews. Had he been in Shushan or Nuremberg he would have been hanged as well.

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No difference in approach at all, you hate Luther for his anti-semitism, I hate his anti-semitism.

You use the words of Nazis to indict Luther I don't, because I trust them like Communists.

You decry AS in Luther and and yet don't in anyone else of the period or since absolving Germany in #46.

History records many Nazi leaders as nominal Catholics, factual. Are they Catholic, not in any sense of the word. Did the Lutheran church in its history or proclamations doctrine or operating rules ever condone or practice AS? No they didn't. Did the Catholic church? Yes they did as shown by links to non-Nazi sources.

Given the preceding is true, where would these nominal Catholics most likely have heard AS sentiments in their youth, in their social group, at church or at Martin Luther study?

As for 'faux', the only thing 'faux' is your outrage at AS. Too selective to be believable. That you and the Nazis share a hate of the Reformation doesn't make you a Nazi.

For the comparison between Mo and Luther it doesn't surprise me at all you see no difference between them, your hate has blinded you to the fact that one believed in Christ for his salvation, the other didn't.

Blueprint for the Holocaust: another piece of hyperbole! From the post #48, a chronology of AS behavior by the 'Catholic' church. A cursory reading leading to the 16th century will show that Luther couldn't 'blueprinted' anything (been first author) as AS had been practiced in almost every way by the Catholic church. Arson of synagogues, looting, damning sermons, murder were practiced and condoned by many you now call saints.

With all that in mind, thank you for letting me get that info out to any lurkers out there. The difference between an honest broker and one who uses fake outrage to condemn his religious enemies. Churchmen have sinned through the millenia and continue today. I sin, I am responsible for what I do and don't do. Despite your efforts otherwise, the Nazis are responsible for their sins as well.