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To: nathanbedford; Smokin' Joe; Repeal The 17th; INVAR; Art in Idaho; Lurker
The most common alternative suggestion from opponents to Article V is to enforce the existing constitution through the election of more conservatives.
Insistence that all we need to do is elect good men and women is no different from the Progressive belief that socialism will “work” once the best brains are put in charge. Both rely on a fantasy, that their conservative or progressive politicians are immune to nature. These dogmas are comfortable ruts which have been refuted throughout history, and reflect a naiveté and ignorance of American history, government and passions common to all men. Given the chance, men will grasp power and money, no matter the damage their avarice and ambition do to the larger society.
What has been forgotten or probably never understood by both progs and some Article V opponents, was accepted as an undeniable truth to the Framing generation; liberty is secured through the division of power. It clearly hasn’t been secured by nonexistent self-enforcing words in the constitution. In fact, just about all that remains in force from our constitution is the structure of the government. We still have the institutions of congress, courts and a president, but little more. Nearly every other clause has been excised or bastardized such that they’ve been inverted to allow infringement our liberties.
Liberty is secured through the division of power. Undivided power is despotic; it can be nothing else.
So, if the goal is restoration of liberty, and liberty requires division of authority, the question is how to return the states to the senate. Since our oppressors in DC will never divest themselves of power, and the framers provided a way to go around DC, it stands to pure logic that an Article V convention is our only hope.
Given the anti-American indoctrination by K-12 and universities, I don’t expect young people to know our bedrock principles. What I find amazing is the lack of understanding at FreeRepublic. Open, bold despotism is in the door, it is in the living room. No even-year election can boot him back outdoors. There is one possible way out, Article V.
95 posted on 09/22/2014 1:32:45 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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96 posted on 09/22/2014 1:34:17 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Jacquerie; nathanbedford; Smokin' Joe; Repeal The 17th; Art in Idaho; Lurker
Liberty is secured through the division of power. Undivided power is despotic; it can be nothing else. So, if the goal is restoration of liberty, and liberty requires division of authority, the question is how to return the states to the senate. Since our oppressors in DC will never divest themselves of power, and the framers provided a way to go around DC, it stands to pure logic that an Article V convention is our only hope.

So let me ask this question, taking your example of repealing the 17th Amendment.

Let us say that an Amendment to repeal the 17th is passed. What do you plan to do when an activist judiciary at the behest of the Ruling Class and their Praetorian media, rules the repeal 'unConstitutional'?? It goes to SCOTUS - they rule 5-4 against the Amendment, 're-interpreting' Article V to be restricted to the Congress to propose Amendments per precedents - Scalia, Alito and Thomas dissenting.

What do you plan to do if Obama decides to use his pen and phone to nullify the repeal by 'executive action'?

None of this takes into consideration that during the process itself, Holder and the Just-Us department begin various 'investigations' of states that sent delegates to the Convention and/or IRS intimidations of delegates and so forth.

What's the plan to make sure what Article V passes is implemented?

Since bold despotism is at the door as you say - how do you expect to get the despots in power to abide by what is passed and ratified when they will pull out every effort to render it null and void?

What is the plan of action when these efforts are deliberately thwarted by the oligarchy? The lawless are not going to abide by or acknowledge the law.

So what do you plan and propose to do once that happens?

98 posted on 09/22/2014 2:11:49 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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