[nathanbedford]

What do you plan to do when an activist judiciary at the behest of the Ruling Class and their Praetorian media, rules the repeal 'unConstitutional'??

I plan to impeach and remove those jurists. I plan to have withdrawn judicial review on this subject by the amendment itself.

What do you plan to do if Obama decides to use his pen and phone to nullify the repeal by 'executive action'?

I plan likewise to impeach and remove the president.

Please be advised my scenario is just as valid as your scenario. Neither of us with confidence can predict the atmosphere post amendment. Surely, operating as we agree we do within a patina of the rule of law, trespass against that rule of law in form and substance by jurists or president will turn public opinion and even the media against them to some presently unquantifiable degree making impeachment easier.

Do not forget, the amendment process envisions procedural as well as substantive revisions making it more difficult for both the Supreme Court and the president to behave extra-constitutionally because they have been removed from the process.

Think of it as MacArthur in World War II who, facing endless islands of fanatical Japanese resistance changed the whole strategic balance by leapfrogging and leaving isolated Japanese remnant forces to starve and die of disease. The Article V process is conceived of as just such a strategic thunderbolt which changes the battlescape and offers battle on more favorable geography and with better odds.

If you are going to fight a war, you better know your enemy, you better know yourself, you better know the ground you stand on and what the reality of the situation is. If you want to title that 'despair', then I submit you are not ready for war. You would be a Romantic who assumes rhetoric and bravado are enough to rally a lukewarm and complacent people to victory.

Please cease implying naïveté when we advocate engaging the left. It is the advocates of Article V who are trying to reshape the battlefield.

[Jacquerie]

Just as the Framers don’t get the credit they deserve, the public of 1913 don’t get the derision they deserve either.

Both the Article V state process and electoral college are nearly extra-congressional. They provide for flanking movements, if not different battlefields.

Congress must call an Article V convention and count electoral votes respectively. That is all.

A “strategic thunderbolt” indeed.

If possible restoration of liberty is the goal, participation of the states in our government isn’t optional. It is essential.

[INVAR]

I plan likewise to impeach and remove the president. Please be advised my scenario is just as valid as your scenario.

Horsepucky. My 'what-if's' are based on literal past and current behaviors of the Oligarchy in D.C. From the President on down.

I cited State Legislatures having Homosexual Marriage law bans (as in my state) by overwhelming will of the people. They have been struck down by activist courts via ridiculous stretches of judicial argument. My question is what happens when these same courts do the same thing to whatever comes out of an Article V convention?

The current oligarchy has demonstrated that it will not be restrained by any law that restricts their agenda and power. They will circumvent it. They will ignore it. They have created legal arguments and precedents to ignore the current Constitution. My 'what-ifs' are based on the existing fruits of the very oligarchy an Article V process would attempt to yoke.

You hold that such 'hypotheticals' are as absurd as asserting you can single-handedly impeach the judiciary and the president because what will actually transpire is an 'unknown'.

Sorry, but common sense based on fruits is a better indicator of what is probable than simple daydreaming.

trespass against that rule of law in form and substance by jurists or president will turn public opinion and even the media against them to some presently unquantifiable degree making impeachment easier.

They have trespassed against the rule of law already, and public opinion and even some media scorn has NOT dissuaded them from enacting their agenda and circumventing the Constitution. Amnesty? ObamaCare?

The fate of whatever is advanced at an Article V convention will by no means be immune from the same trespass and indifference by the whole of the federal government who can and will render the power of the States null and void in interfering with Federal matters.

Do not forget, the amendment process envisions procedural as well as substantive revisions making it more difficult for both the Supreme Court and the president to behave extra-constitutionally because they have been removed from the process.

That supposition totally ignores the Oligarchy's present violations of similar separations of power, Rights and other limitations placed upon them in the existing Constitution.

What I am beginning to understand is that the proponents of Article V have absolutely no plans, nor any thought process given to counter what an illegal post-Constitutional Oligarchy is going to do to neuter their efforts to yoke the Beast.

Proponents are completely focused on the process, assuming that the process itself is enough to prevent what the Oligarchy has already done to the existing rule of law.

I'll say this again, a lawless oligarchy will not abide by additional laws of restraint placed upon it, because an Oligarchy is a law only unto itself.

It is the advocates of Article V who are trying to reshape the battlefield.

While at the same time, underestimating the enemy.