Posted on 08/31/2014 8:05:08 PM PDT by marktwain
The underlying reason for the Chinese collapse is bad culture. The one-child policy is an outgrowth of Chinese culture. Their philosophy and religion, while holding many truths, is deeply flawed. Bad doctrine leads to bad outcomes.
Pivot or die. They’d be replaced in a heartbeat and are being outclassed in many departments. That’s a free market benefit, not a glitch.
The word Christian has grown to near meaningless. There are Christians for abortion, envy, gluttony, homosexual marriage, etc. What does Christian really mean? Are there clearly defined values that all “Christians” embrace?
You could literally be looking at the pop culture destruction of “Christianity” via the Red Chinese. It’s Western, decadent and different. How is that different than tattooing or fashion-following?
I’ve met native Chinese Christians. Some impressed with their faithfulness and devotion. Others were just into it for the fun of being different. I suspect they’ll be Christian just like Americans are Christian.
That said, I’d rather see a billion Christian converts, than a billion Muslim ones.
I wonder if they manufacture their weapons systems with the same level of quality that the rest of their junk has. It's tough to take pride in your work when it's done at gunpoint.
Read a post by an engineer who said the Three Gorges Dam should never have been built and could collapse at any given moment. That in and of itself could turn China into a memory.
China’s not going anywhere...yet the survival of the United States now depends, in large part, on China collapsing.
...for the alternative is China having an economy larger than the US and Europe combined, in about a decade or so, at present relative growth rates.
There’s a lot of resources to gain in Siberia. Also, make no mistake, the second China thinks they can take Canada and/or the US... They will.
Ya, that’s usually how it goes. I don’t pretend to know the situation of the internal workings of China, but I do know with that young population of men that can’t get wives that something has to give. I also know they use more resources a day then they bring in, so that’s not sustainable either.
I think if something is high profile enough they do it very well. The Beijing airport (international terminal) was nice and the Beijing subway system was maybe the best one I’ve ever ridden on (with announcements in Chinese + English). But, yes, shoddy is definitely the norm. They often don’t realize how shoddy things are. I was shown a dorm that obviously was infested with mold and smelled, but they acted like they had a lot of pride in it.
Another thing is that a lot of Chinese are acutely aware of how repressive the Government is. After I went to China, we had a contingent of their faculty visit our University. For almost all of these, it was their first time in America. I think the differences shocked them.
Finally, the Chinese (really Asians in general) have a reputation for being orderly. Nothing is further from the truth. You see this early on when they cut in lines. Their traffic is extremely chaotic too—and dangerous. A common sight is a family of 3 people riding on a single electric scooter with NO helmets.
As a college professor (computer science), I’ve actually found the Chinese to be very good students. They are almost all hardworking and smart, but perhaps not that imaginative.
Wish more American students had their work ethic.
Your description is more indicative of Indians, who turn cheating into an art form. I think the Indian elite are good, but then you have a big drop off. Another thing is that many of them are very (very) arrogant. Americans often do not pick up on this because they act polite & speak with an accent. But underneath, they have an arrogant streak. Many of them who study in this country have rich parents and look down harshly on those they feel superior to or are in their way. They really feel that they are entitled to graduate because they have paid their fee, regardless of whether they do the work or not.
To me this article has the ring of truth about it but I wonder if that’s only because it confirms my ideological predilections. I’ve been reading the pro-China Martin Jacques book recently and this article gives the other side of the argument.
The thing about centralized control is that it’s easy to imagine why it should work but the reasons why it never does work are far less immediately apparent. Reality works on subtle levels that can be hard to see and recognize and put into words.
At the end of the day it kind of comes down to faith in God for me — that he has created us to thrive in an environment of freedom (and trust and love), and that long term success of any political system can be determined on that basis.
The best we can hope for is our current communist gov't collapses sooner rather than later, we have the advantage because unlike other communist gov't's we have a Free Republic blueprint with which to replace communism immediately.
In a Free Republic prosperity is "always" a given, the only problem is when "we the people" neglect it and don't give all the care and attention as one would give a newborn baby...all this current communist nonsense going on in our gov't; is at it's root the fault of "we the people", the founding fathers knew this, we failed to adhere their warning and threw the baby out with the bath water.
Revolution Now!
I had the exactly different experience in China, that’s funny. Perhaps, we’re both drawing too broad a picture. I’ve worked for and with Indians and I completely concur. Their arrogance is hidden by every courtesy, but you are still a low-caste person.
A very good analysis and falls into place quite nicely with what I personally know. Number 3 in particular strikes a chord with me.
BUT! I must say that none of this analysis is very new. I saw much of this same stuff back in the 1960’s. What we are seeing though that is more significant than it once was is the mental and emotional outlooks of the young princes and princesses that are the result of single child families. They are not as stoic as their parents and grand-parents. They see and touch the things that are being made by them for foreign markets and they want them too.
Because of those and other factors that the CCP and it’s bureaucracy are hiding from the rest of the world China must look outwards for an enemy that they can beat in a ‘Short Victorious War’. Or deal with a mean and nasty internal war of the provinces.
Well, I was talking about the Chinese students who come to the US to study. I gave a couple lectures in China, but never taught a formal course.
One thing that stands out though: I was told beforehand that the audience would have an excellent command of English. That turned out to be absolutely false. A translator was needed and, even so, I think hardly anyone understood me. I still got applause though, I’m sure out of politeness.
I haven’t met any Chinese Christians, so you have me there. But the stories I’ve read by people who have tell me that these are highly persecuted people, quite devout. I doubt they are in it for “fun”. There was even a PBS special on the growing Chinese Christian church.
Exactly my first thought. China collapses...it will go to war either internally(civil) or go after needed resources externally.
I’m not surprised. Even in Hong Kong the people use more Chinese, than English.
The cheaters we encountered were all located in mainland China proper. I’ve had only good experiences with Chinese immigrants to the US - hard working, honest and intelligent.
With all the goods we get from China...if either of us collapse...the cascading effect across the globe will be ...magnificent.
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