Posted on 08/22/2014 1:38:02 PM PDT by therightliveswithus
For days something has been irking me about the Michael Brown shooting and the autopsy performed. Repeatedly we've heard from witnesses who do not agree with Officer Darren Wilson's account. They have said that either, one, Brown was shot in the back or, two, he had his hands raised in surrender, while standing upright, when Wilson shot him.
Well, the autopsy showed that Brown was not shot in the back, so the witnesses that claimed that are now confirmed to either be mistaken or liars. But what about the hands raised witnesses? Forget for a moment that most of these witnesses were the same ones who claimed Brown was struck repeatedly in the back. For whatever reason, the press has been reporting that the autopsy somehow confirms anti-Wilson testimony. But that's not true. Simple mathematics disproves their testimony and likely confirms Wilson's.
But before we get to that, let's establish a few facts. First, the particular bullet in question that disproves this testimony is one that entered Mr. Brown's skull and exited into his collar bone.
Second, there are no videos or testimony that the street on which the shooting occurred was unusually sloped or hilly.
Third, we need to look into what those who stated that Brown had his hands up in surrender say they witnessed.
Tiffany Mitchell stated, “After the [first] shot, the kid just breaks away. The cop follows him, kept shooting, the kid’s body jerked as if he was hit. After his body jerked he turns around, puts his hands up, and the cop continues to walk up on him and continues to shoot until he goes all the way down."
Disregarding the fact that Brown was not shot in the back (which already disproves this testimony), to summarize, several shots are fired at Brown first, then he turns around and the fatal bullet is fired. Three total witnesses, Dorian Johnson, Tiffany Mitchell, and Piaget Crenshaw, say the same thing: Brown was shot in the back, then he turned around, then he was mortally wounded. His head was raised.
Fourth, if Brown's head was raised, then the shot must have been angled, otherwise any exit wound would have exited the back of his skull and not hit any other part of his body. To go from any part of the head into the collar bone is a pretty steep angle.
Fifth, how far away was Brown from Wilson? Well, according to these three witnesses, there was a sizable gap between the two men. Another witness, Michael Brady, seems to corroborate these stories by placing the distance at about 20 feet.
All the facts are now assembled to show how the witnesses testimony falls apart. But just to recap: the street is flat, Michael Brown has his hands and head raised, he is twenty feet away from Officer Wilson, and the bullet in question went from his head to his collar bone.
Now all we need to do is create a triangle that shows the trajectory of the bullet. Actually, we have to create a small one first to get the proper big triangle. And assuming that both Mr. Brown and Mr. Wilson were both standing straight up, we can use the Pythagorean Theorem to find out all the proper measurements, or a2 + b2 = c2.
Still following? It's a bit tough at first because Mr. Brown has a height of six feet, four inches, so we cannot use him as the lowest point on a triangle. However, that can be the height on the first triangle we make. So, height would be equal to 6.33, which would be a in our equation.
To get the proper angle, we would use the distance given by Mr. Brady in his testimony, 20 feet, and that would be b. Now we can find out c, the hypotenuse. 6.33 squared is roughly 40. 20 squared is 400. Together, that's 440. The square root of that is almost exactly 21.
Now all we have to do is double the numbers and retain the same angles. The conclusion is... Officer Brown would have to be... 12 feet, 8 inches to have shot Michael Brown the way that "witnesses" say he did. Officer Wilson is not 12 feet, 8 inches.
But you know how this would all make sense? If we take into account Officer Wilson's testimony, that Brown was charging him, his head lowered. There wouldn't have to be a big angle any more because, if Wilson fired forward, it could easily go through Brown's head and into his collarbone.
Math has disproved the already shaky testimony of pro-Brown witnesses and confirmed the story of Officer Wilson.
I agree that the facts belie “witness” statements. ut....figuring the bullet angle of entry/exit cannot be done with your math - bullets tend to change direction when encountering bones - like the inside of a skull. Only those who have been inside his skull (literally) know if the bullet maintained trajectory or took a ride around part of the inside of the skull.
Reported abrasions on his face.
How could that possibly be the correct scenario? There are no entry wounds in the back of the body...maybe the policeman used the new boomerang bullets - but I don’t think they have been approved for law enforcement.
You have a strange concept of forensics. Sandals and tube socks have zero bearing on scuff marks. It is possible to fall forward without getting abrasions on the hands or knees.
I wasn’t there, and I am no forensic expert, but it is obvious that you aren’t either, and you are trying to make the evidence fit your version of the story.
I think the rapidity of the shots has to be taken into account.
If the officer is facing a rampaging hulk charging towards him,
he doesn’t...shoot/look to see if the attacker is going to stop/concludes no
and...shoots/looks to see if the attacker is going to stop/concludes no
and...shoots/looks to see if the attacker is going to stop/concludes no
and...shoots/looks to see if the attacker is going to stop/concludes no
and...shoots/looks to see if the attacker is going to stop/concludes no
and...shoots/looks to see if the attacker is going to stop/concludes yes.
Rather he shoots continuously until he perceives the threat is over...
bangbangbangbangbangbang...
There is very little time between bangs to analyze if the threat has ended.
It is quite possible that the attacker has already begun to fall by the 4th or 5th shot
dropping his head, even lower than charging alone would have,
towards the center of mass at which the officer was aiming.
Without more knowledge about where and at what angle the bullet hit his head, no one can know. A grazing wound could come from beneath. If he dropped his head after surrendering, then the bullet could have come from anyone. This would also be true if he had his head lowered and was charging. There is just not enough information public to make an intelligent comment.
“This is stupid, it assumes that the kid was standing there after 5 bullets had been pumped into him.”
It is entirely possible to be standing after being shot 5 times. Look up the Miami Dade FBI shootout...
I have no doubt they have checked the wound trajectory in the arm...And yes, there are a couple of shots in the arm that could have come from behind...And if they did, that would match the story of the witness...It all hinges on that bullet trajectory...But they haven't bothered to mention that portion of the autopsy, at least to the public...
And if those wounds did not come from behind, Brown would have to have his palms facing the cop and nobody walks or stands that way...His arm had to have been raised at least partially...
You are a forensic scientist? Or are you just trying to keep your preferred story alive?
“there are a couple of shots in the arm that could have come from behind”
How can you say that? If they haven’t released any report on the trajectory, then none of us have a clue.
I base my statement about no shots in the back on the reports I read. Now I read people, like yourself, drawing conclusions about how his arms must have been held, what must have happened....and you draw these conclusions based on...? Pictures on the internet? Reports with no discussion of trajectory? And your forensic expertise is...?
We know that the initial story about a gentle innocent young man minding his business, then being shot down in cold blood while kneeling with his hands up - is completely false. We know he was a thug, we know he used violence to get what he wanted, we know he used illegal drugs, we are fairly certain he attacked the police officer. Yet you keep desperately trying to hang on to the “shot in the back while walking away and surrendering at the same time” nonsense.
If a person was rushing forward, then shot. The momentum will carry them forward to create wounds on the frontal plane of the body. There might be some on the actual autopsy. I have only seen the preliminary one.
The sidearm the police officer carried did not have the power to prevent the forward momentum.
Are you a forensic scientist? I’m not. I’m curious how and why you state with such authority about what wounds there will be.
It seems to me it would depend entirely on momentum, position, the orientation of the body as it falls, and whether or not the body was dead as it fell.
I have fallen forward without receiving the wounds you claim are necessary, so I don’t know why you require them in this case.
I think you are making claims exceeding your knowledge and experience.
I only say that, because my background covers this in certain ways.
It is very hard for a body not to receive damage on the frontal plane while doing what the things Mr. Brown was said to have done.
But, those injuries could be on a final report.
Yes...There was a drawing put out by the Coroner showing where the bullet holes were...That's what my ideas are based on...
You claim to seek the truth, yet you spend your time speculating.
I can think of ways in which it could happen, but I’m not speculating on what did or did not happen.
Let’s allow evidence and forensic reports and honest eye witnesses (we know that many of them are outright liars) tell the story,not your questionable speculations.
Far stretch to conclude the position of his arm from that drawing.
They’ll never be charged. Just like Crystal Mangum who lied about being raped by 3 lacrosse players, she was never charged.
No point in having this discussion with you...However, the wounds will show the path of the bullets and it's entirely plausible that the bullets came from behind or while the arms were raised...
We don't know what the autopsy shows. All we have is some diagram which may or may not have been done by Baden.
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