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College Board Erases the Founding Fathers
American Thinker ^ | August16, 2014 | Patrick Jakeway

Posted on 08/16/2014 10:13:32 AM PDT by Steelfish

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To: the OlLine Rebel

It is an actual class. If you want to take the test for college credit you have to pay for the testing material.

The teacher will take each student aside and let them know that there is no way they are prepared to take a college level test. If the student doesn’t pass it reflects on the teacher immediately.

Teachers always want to teach AP courses because usually they make up the best classrooms.

I knew one student who took so many AP courses in high school that he received his bachelor’s at USC in 3 years. He is still pissed to this day that his AP Spanish teacher talked him out of testing.


41 posted on 08/16/2014 12:33:45 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: Steelfish

Once they get rid of the “Redskins”, they’re going to go after the “Washington” (He owned slaves).


42 posted on 08/16/2014 12:34:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: IronJack

It’s probably worse in the regular, non-AP classes. This is early college prep in more ways than one.


43 posted on 08/16/2014 12:45:08 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Steelfish

The American Constitution has been pretty much abrogated..
WHY NOT!.. a partially trashed Republic is not thorough..

and the public has been brain washed to an awful state..
Public apathy is very strong..

BUT..... the sheeple could STAMPEDE..
Obama has never seen a STAMPEDE... wolves could get trampled.. -OR- WORSE...


44 posted on 08/16/2014 12:49:59 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Steelfish; All
Might we look at one more bit of information about the founding period in America, along with the amazing, and almost immediate results for the people from other countries who made great sacrifices in order to come to a land of liberty.

The following is some information I came across a few years ago which included words from John Dunlap's May 1785 letter to relatives back in Ireland, the country of his birth.

We may remember Dunlap's role in making our Declaration of Independence available in print to the American people.

Reading the following, causes one to realize what a difference almost 230 years and a change in ideology makes!!!

In the communication cited below, I found the words of Dunlap, "there is no place in the world where a man meets so rich a reward for good conduct and industry as in America ... " to be exciting documentation of the results of the American experiment in liberty.

Sadly, according to the College Board's actions to erase such ideas from the minds of youth, we may be seeing a transition to Old World ideas rejected by America's Founders.

At the web site of PRONI, The Public Records of Northern Ireland - - can be found inspiring words about Irish emigrants to the U. S.

Of special note are the words of John Dunlap, an emigrant, who was responsible for the printing of the new nation's Declaration of Independence.

On 12 May 1785, he wrote from Philadelphia to his brother-in-law, Robert Rutherford, Strabane, Co. Tyrone, extolling the advantages of the New World and referred to his brother, James Dunlap, who was likewise in America:

"... my brother James left this for Kentucky a few weeks ago; I expect him back in the summer; then perhaps he may take a trip to Ireland. The account he gives of the soil is pleasing but the difficulty of going to it from this is great; indeed the distance is not less than a thousand miles. I was there last year and must confess that although the journey is a difficult one I did not begrudge the time and labour it cost me. We are told the parliament of Ireland means to lay restrictions on those who want to come from that country to this; time will tell whether or no this will answer the purpose they intend. People with a family advanced in life find great difficulties in emigration but the young men of Ireland who wish to be free and happy should leave it and come here as quick as possible; there is no place in the world where a man meets so rich a reward for good conduct and industry as in America ... "

Also excerpted from the PRONI web site, the DUNLAP/DELAP PAPERS, is the following statement:

"John Dunlap's is not an untypical life story of many who 'went west' from Co. Tyrone in the 18th century to make a new life and create a new country to which they then encouraged and assisted others to migrate. One went and succeeded and therefore others followed. By the time he died, on 27 November 1812, aged 66, John Dunlap had amassed a large fortune and had subscribed £4,000 in 1780 to the National Bank formed to supply the American Army, and he held 98,000 acres in Virginia and the adjoining counties of Kentucky. He also owned the land on which Utica, Ohio, stands.

"He had played his part in military affairs during the War of Independence, as a founder in 1774 of the 1st Troop of Philadelphia City Cavalry; as a cornet he accompanied this command in the campaign of 1776-1777, taking part in actions at Princeton and Trenton. After the war, from 1789 to 1792, he was a member of the Common Council of Philadelphia. In 1812 he was buried at Christ Church, Philadelphia.

"The site of his birth at Meetinghouse Street, Strabane, is marked by a plaque erected by Strabane Urban District Council in 1965."

(End of Excerpt)


45 posted on 08/16/2014 12:53:23 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2

And he’s also a fan of Rousseau’s disciple, Kant, as well...

http://rousseaustudies.free.fr/ArticlePerigo.htm


46 posted on 08/16/2014 12:58:55 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Steelfish

Just sent the link to this post to my entire email list.

This is especially for you parents who may have scrimped and saved to send your precious offspring to a “good school” for that “quality education” then were puzzled when they came back full-blown socialists or worse!
Probably shoulda taken that round-the-world tour instead!
Just sayin’!


47 posted on 08/16/2014 12:59:59 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

In our school district, going back @ 20 years, many (if not most) students would take the AP class for the extra .5 added to the class grade towards their GPA. They didn’t have to take the CB-administered test and/or get the college credit, they only cared about the GPA.

THEN, the School Board decided that it would pay for the AP class (I’m thinking a couple hundred dollars per student per class) but only IF the student took the test. It certainly cut down on the students taking the class only for that .5, and filled the class with better qualified, most ambitious students.


48 posted on 08/16/2014 1:03:04 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Dick Bachert

right


49 posted on 08/16/2014 1:03:28 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Liz

Dear Liz,

WHAT COLLEGE BOARD??

WHICH ONE ARE YOU REFERRING TO, MADAM????

(since you were scream, er, I mean streaming this stuff, I had to, uh, stream, yeah, stream back!)


50 posted on 08/16/2014 1:09:28 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: the OlLine Rebel

AP is for “Advanced Placement” and actually counts as completion of a college course if you get the proper grade on the AP test in that subject. You end up not having to take so many classes in college to get your degree.


51 posted on 08/16/2014 1:27:33 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Liz
This guy needs professional help----f-a-s-t.

Nah, even a amateur should be fine, so long as the family pays for the bullet, Chinese style.

52 posted on 08/16/2014 1:36:20 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: IronJack
AP courses are not required. Don’t take them.

For students who are very bright and motivated, AP courses,if done right, can keep them interested. However, a friend of mine had a daughter in the public school system and found out that their AP (or Honors) Program was just like the regular curriculum, except you were in a class with other very bright students. My girls went to a Catholic HS and had a terrfic English teacher, math teacher and history teacher. My youngest is still quite interested in American History.

A good, motivating teacher who knows the subject matter can make a world of difference. Unfortunately, there are damn few of those in the public school system.

53 posted on 08/16/2014 1:42:30 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Steelfish

Bill Ayers and his commie educrats are intent upon getting the future leadership to think just like they do.


54 posted on 08/16/2014 1:44:04 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: LibertarianLiz

aP courses can be used for college credit. My neice entered college as a second semester freshman because of AP courses. Saved her about 10 grand in tuition.


55 posted on 08/16/2014 1:46:46 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: LibertarianLiz

I had an History teacher (bad at math) who wanted me to join his AP class, but I didn’t want to do the harder work because I was more of a math/science guy and was already doing AP work there. So to “tempt” me, he let me take the AP class tests, then added the scores obtained there to the scores from my regular classwork and tests, but without adding those points to the “possible” score. By mid-semester, I had accumulated more points that were available in the entire semester of the regular class and I didn’t have to do another assignment the entire semester. It’s like they say about the lottery, it’s a tax on those bad at math! ;)


56 posted on 08/16/2014 1:48:35 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; windcliff; EDINVA
is the test a separate issue from the class, like SAT (nothing to do with going to class)? Or do you take the class hoping to pass the test administered there?

Many homeschoolers take AP tests, too. So, even if you're not enrolled in an AP class, I guess you can take the AP tests.

But, there's also another kind of College Board test that can count for college credit: SAT Subject Tests. That's what my son (a homeschooler) took.

The problem is, the College Board has a monopoly on the whole testing system. So, when it implements changes like Common Core, all students are affected. :-( It doesn't matter if they go to private school, public school, or home-school. No one can escape it. :-(

57 posted on 08/16/2014 1:48:42 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Still Thinking

My youngest daughter took enough AP classes in HS to get out of paying for one semester at the university level. I do believe we had to pay for the test that was given. My eldest did not need to take any math or english courses at her college, which left her to fill in with more courses dedicated to her major.


58 posted on 08/16/2014 1:49:17 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Steelfish

They focus more on the Founding Fathers that were Muslims.


59 posted on 08/16/2014 1:49:38 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: Vermont Lt

My son was able to skip the first semester of Calculus and all his Science classes by taking the AP tests.


60 posted on 08/16/2014 1:50:40 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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