Posted on 08/01/2014 5:41:40 PM PDT by Thorliveshere
I have a co-worker I've known for many years (10), and all this time, from how spoke out against abortion, homosexuality & gay marriage, common sense, drugs, and so many other progressive ideals, that I assumed she was a Republican, until today.
We got onto the topic of class warfare and poverty. Well.. I was stunned to find that she supported the Democrats wholly on this, that was the only reason she did, that the fact they supported everything else she stood against, didn't matter. Republicans, Conservatives, and especially the Tea Party were liars and were rich and hated the poor, and they should completely support welfare programs, and they weren't "paying their fair share."
To say the least, I lit into her and was aghast at her stance. I guess I could have been a little more "velvet glove" about it, but it just got me angry, as I've seen this in other Catholics who support the welfare system (they must do EVERYTHING they can to fight the war on poverty), and America just wasn't throwing enough money down the rat hole.
Just what percentage of Catholics are like this? This is aggravating, when they SHOULD be the more conservative among us. I know there are lot of good Catholics here, but what have you guys encountered?
This continues to astonish me as a Catholic. They think turning charity over to the government is charity for some reason. They fail to realize that once the “charity” is administered by the government,they are replaced. They largely vote for the most rabid pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage, pro-ACLU, anti-God party and it is sickening. The homilies and prayer of the faithful make me think I am living in another time period (60s), or alternate universe.
My father, who died in 2004, was a staunch, old-fashioned Catholic and a staunch Democrat, and the older he got, the stauncher he got. The paradox was that he was a very conservative person: anti-abortion, anti-feminist, anti-affirmative action, anti-union, and no defender of “gay rights.” He WAS, however, a career federal employee (VA), and detested Reagan’s “the government is the problem” stance. He always detested Republicans, especially the liberal Episcopalian types that we had in Washington State at the time (Dan Evans and Slade Gorton come to mind). It’s probably best he died when he did: having to defend gay marriage might have been just too much for him to take.
You support your claim that blacks are known as economic conservatives, because of the blacks that you “know”.
I did also post that these are low info voters who aren’t sketpical of the Dems or their media...they seem to compartmentalize how they live from how they vote.
They are Irish
Catholics were told by presidential candidate Sen. James G. Blaine (R-Maine) in 1884 that they weren’t welcome in the GOP: Blaine called the Democrats the party of “Rum, Romanism and Rebellion”. As a result, Catholics stayed away from the GOP.
Interestingly, today, who would doubt that Obama or Hillary Clinton would put faithful Catholics into concentration camps if they could get away with it.
I’m a lifelong Catholic; prior to moving to the DC area in 1976 I was a staunch Democrat, because both my father’s family and my mother’s family were Democrats. It wasn’t until I moved to DC that I found out that the ‘Rats despised most everything I believed in. I’ve been a conservative ever since.
As for the Church, it is split into a number of factions—probably half of those who call themselves Catholics are CINOs; most of these don’t even go to Mass, and their champions in DC are Pelosi, Durbin, Mikulski, etc., etc.
Then you have the quisling element, such as the apparat within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and people like John “Iscariot” Jenkins of Notre Dame who pretend to be Catholic when they need to raise money from believing Catholics, but then are self-hating Catholics when they gather with their heretical brethren from places like Harvard and Yale.
Then you have conservative novus ordo Catholics—those who try to defend the new order established by Vatican II, but who go to Mass every Sunday and cling to pre-Vatican II traditions. The EWTN organization (which I happen to admire in most respects) would be the champion of this group.
Then you have those who try to exclusively attend the 1962 Missal traditional Latin Mass; Pat Buchanan is one of this type of Catholic. There are at least two orders of priests who operate churches “in union with Rome”; the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter; and the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest.
Then you have those who attend the chapels operated by the Society of St. Pius X or Society of St. Pius X—Strict Observance. Pope John Paul II (unjustly in my view) excommunicated Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. The SSPX and SSPX-SO recognize the present pope, but the Vatican trashes these wonderful priests every chance they get.
Then you have the sedevacantists, those that believe that John XXIII excommunicated himself when he called Vatican II, and that his successors have excommunicated themselves, and as a result there has been an interregnum which started in 1958 at the death of Pope Pius XII. They continue to say Mass according to the authentic Missale Romanum of 1570 published by Pope Pius V. There are maybe 50,000 of this group, tops.
I have never in my life heard of the black voters described as fiscal conservatives, and for 80 years they have voted for and supported the opposite, screamed and pleaded and demanded, and lived on fiscal liberalism, and in fact described fiscal conservatism as “racism”, I am at a loss to figure out what in the world you are talking about in describing blacks as right wingers.
How do they make that leap
I guess what I’m missing is that you know people who are tight with their personal money, and are describing them as “fiscal conservatives”.
If we did that, there are tons of liberals who are one way in their personal life, for themselves and their families but it has nothing to do with their political ideas and goals for the rest of us.
I know a lot of rich, ocean front liberals of Southern California, most live extremely conservative, clean, and insulated lives and are tight with a dollar, but they are as left wing as can be in their voting.
Bad tipping and underpaying the yard man and live in maid, does not make a fiscal conservative.
I have never in my life heard of the black voters described as fiscal conservatives, and for 80 years they have voted for and supported the opposite, screamed and pleaded and demanded, and lived on fiscal liberalism, and in fact described fiscal conservatism as “racism”, I am at a loss to figure out what in the world you are talking about in describing blacks as right wingers.
I know how odd it is but you know most people aren’t that informed politically to make the leap from voting the way they live.
Not really, you still have me puzzled.
Blacks know full well why they vote like they do, it fits their politics, it is why they permanently switched their vote in a single election, they know what they support.
well the Blacks I know are different than the ones who like to play the race card. I’m sure Reagan Dems included Blacks as well.
I don’t doubt that you are right in your responses tho.
When 95% of blacks vote democrat, how much variation do you think there is in their party preferences?
Reagan worked hard for the black vote and got 14% in 1980, and 9% in 1984.
Nobody is more democrat than blacks.
Thanks for doing the research...too tired to look for it myself!!
Reagan didn’t pander or go mush like Romney he spoke his principles and won over a good amount of Blacks and that was before the emergence of Conservative talk radio and Fox News.
I sometimes forget that not everyone knows the numbers.
.....”some” Catholics !?!? I must have a different definition of “some” than the generous writer does.
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