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1 posted on 07/06/2014 5:32:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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“The Hobby Lobby ruling may at first seem like a victory for the minority of Americans who think that both abortion and contraception should be illegal”

This is how the argument is one.

“If it truly is a “minority of Americans” Hobby Lobby’s business will soon drop like a stone and they will be gone. If in fact the overwhelming majority of people ARE actually moral and sane, then I guess their business will do just fine.

Why don’t we let the marketplace decide.”


30 posted on 07/06/2014 6:05:26 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name (\w)
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And I have yet to see an employer willing to buy me the gun I have an actual constitutionally named right to.


31 posted on 07/06/2014 6:06:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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Another moron gets it wrong. Asking you to pay for something yourself is not denying you to have it.


33 posted on 07/06/2014 6:07:02 PM PDT by Dave911
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We may have found the missing Linc!


36 posted on 07/06/2014 6:08:57 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The future must not belong to those who slander bacon.)
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"The Hobby Lobby decision is about women's health care and individual freedom, but it also another sign of the consolidation of power by big corporations in the US [emphasis added]."

The Constitution's Clause 8 of Section 8 of Article I grants Congress the power to reward inventors and authors with temporary monoply power with respect to benefitting from their intellectual property.

Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

But note that Section 8 does not include language which prohibits citizens from enjoying their other privileges and immunities while also enjoying their monopoly power. So Section 8 is constitutional evidence, imo, that citizens can enjoy their constitutionally enumerated pretections which can also include corporate power.

As a side note to this post, I noticed what appears to be a discrepancy in Hobby Lobby's corporate definition. While one source is calling Hobby Lobby a franchise, Hobby Lobby web site seems to be claiming that it is not a franchise.

What am I overlooking?

39 posted on 07/06/2014 6:12:34 PM PDT by Amendment10
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And the distortions of the marketplace continue. How many people remember the history behind employer-provided health insurance? Much of the push can be traced to the federal wage controls imposed during World War II. To compete in the labor market, companies started bundling health insurance as a lure. The wage controls were lifted after the War, but the practice of bundling health insurance continues.

Tax law continues and aggravates this distortion, by allowing companies and not individuals to deduct insurance expenses.

ObamaCare did nothing to correct this distortion.

40 posted on 07/06/2014 6:14:03 PM PDT by asinclair (Political hot air is a renewable energy resource)
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And who is Lincoln Mitchell when he’s at home?


42 posted on 07/06/2014 6:17:27 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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I imagine it would be possible to delude one’s self even more about some issue than this article does but it wouldn’t be easy. There are just so many assertions about this ruling that are completely false in there.


46 posted on 07/06/2014 6:21:10 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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Lincoln Mitchell, you are an idiot


47 posted on 07/06/2014 6:21:19 PM PDT by kushnejz
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His bio also says he writes for Baseball Prospectus and blogs about baseball. If he understands baseball as well as he understands the Hobby Lobby case, he probably thinks the Yankees need a new quarterback.


48 posted on 07/06/2014 6:30:49 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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Not even a doctor should come between a woman and her birth control. Make all birth control over the counter.


50 posted on 07/06/2014 6:37:02 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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(victory)....for those who believe that the US should operate more as a theocracy than a country where state and church are separate

This guy obviously has never heard of the 1st amendment.

52 posted on 07/06/2014 6:42:58 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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The Hobby Lobby decision didn’t have anything to do with contraception. Contraception is defined as the deliberate use of artificial methods or other techniques to prevent pregnancy.

The decision affects morning after type “tools” which - by definition - only help after pregnancy has begun.


53 posted on 07/06/2014 6:44:24 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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We can email this genius here: lincoln@lincolnmitchell.com - and tell him how brilliant he is.

BTW, this wizard used to work in the Soviet Union.


54 posted on 07/06/2014 6:49:27 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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“When most Americans are about to start a new job, or choosing between two or more jobs, one of the first questions they ask is about the quality of the health insurance they will get.”

Oh, this is rich. I can just imagine the prospective employee in the obameconomy thinking “Is the healthcare better working 29 hours per week at McDonald’s or at Burger King?”

This guy doesn’t get out much...


56 posted on 07/06/2014 6:53:42 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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What this Supreme Court decision did was to UPHOLD the religious rights and freedoms of the owners of Hobby Lobby that they are guaranteed to under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. The court has just decided that the government cannot force privately held companies to provide certain contraceptives (four only) that they object to for religious reasons.

This court decision does not ERODE women’s rights to contraception. Last time I checked, there is no mention in the Constitution of the right of women to have all the contraceptives known to man given to them for FREE. This is something Obama and Sebelius forced Hobby Lobby and other companies to do AFTER ObamaCare was passed into law, because some fluzzy named Sandra Fluke publicly whined about not being able to get her contraceptives for free. Women are not being denied the freedom to use contraceptives. They never have been. They still have contraceptives available to them. They may have to cover the cost of the four not offered by Hobby Lobby anymore. But then previous to Obama forcing this down employers’ throats, women had to pay for their contraceptives anyway.

This ruling is not about women’s rights, which are not delineated in the Constitution. It is about religious rights, which are spelled out in the Constitution.

This Lincoln guy has got it all backwards. His liberal petty coat is showing.


57 posted on 07/06/2014 6:54:06 PM PDT by HotHunt
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By ruling that corporations, on the grounds of the alleged religious views of their owners, can deny women access to some forms of contraception, the court set a horrible precedent that if followed will endanger the health and lives of many American women.

This statement is just so typical of the doomsday propaganda that airheads on the left are spewing in reaction to the SCOTUS Hobby Lobby decision.

The employer "can deny women access to some forms of contraception"? If some item or service is denied in an insurance policy, it only means that the insurance policy will not pay for it. I doesn't mean that these female employees are being "denied access" to these forms of contraception, because they can pay out of their own pockets (the price is very modest) or, if necessary, get the item and service they want from some other source, like Planned Parenthood.

This whole idea that government or corporations have to pay for every product or service under the sun is insane. It's this entitlement and hand-out mentality that is a major factor in the growing decadence of American society.

58 posted on 07/06/2014 6:58:16 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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not paying for something is RADICALLY different from denying it

if you want to kill your kids, you have the ability in the US.

just stop expecting someone else to pay for it


62 posted on 07/06/2014 7:12:18 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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RE:”The Hobby Lobby ruling may at first seem like a victory for the minority of Americans who think that both abortion and contraception should be illegal, and for those who believe that the US should operate more as a theocracy than a country where state and church are separate. However, the ruling not only is terrible news for women seeking a guarantee of good healthcare through their employer, but also for anybody who believes in personal freedom. “

Pretty entertaining, but the libs on MSNBC are really talking this way.

You would think that Hobby Lobby had a rule that employees cannot use BC at all, from the words the libs use.

66 posted on 07/06/2014 7:38:04 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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Contraception is not health care.

Abortion is not health care.


67 posted on 07/06/2014 7:47:02 PM PDT by IronJack
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