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To: Errant
Which is what the Hebrew Roots movement is about, in contrast to the apostasy we're seeing in churchianity today (e.g., same-sex marriage, prosperity gospel, grace perversion). The words faith/believe don't even have the same meanings today as they had did during the time of the first coming.
  1. If such a new movement is necessary to establish the true faith, do you thereby hold the true faith was lost? This implies Yeshua failed to establish a church as he promised here And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. .
  2. The Catholics stand against all the items you mention. The Fundamentalists stand against them also, except you may object to some of them with their Calvinism as a grace perversion.

953 posted on 03/09/2014 7:06:17 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981; Errant

>> “If such a new movement is necessary to establish the true faith, do you thereby hold the true faith was lost?” <<

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There has always been a remnant following Yeshua’s way.

The Nazarenes are an example.

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>> “The Catholics stand against all the items you mention.” <<

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That would be laughable were it not for the fact that you were serious.

The catholic church is the whore that rides the beast.

Always has been. They slaughtered Yeshua’s followers by the millions for at least a millennium.

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956 posted on 03/09/2014 7:21:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: af_vet_1981
1.If such a new movement is necessary to establish the true faith...

It is necessary to remove the tares from the wheat, IMO, and from what I've seen/discovered.

do you thereby hold the true faith was lost?

There is no doubt that what many believe today to be faith/belief is hollow shell of the original meaning to repent and live a life righteous in accordance with that which the Almighty intended and Yeshua taught.

This implies Yeshua failed to establish a church as he promised here And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

No it doesn't, as the final stones are being laid even now...

2.The Catholics stand against all the items you mention. The Fundamentalists stand against them also, except you may object to some of them with their Calvinism as a grace perversion.

Every "manmade doctrine" on earth is to some extent against the true Word of the Almighty:

Matt. 23:8"But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10"Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.

957 posted on 03/09/2014 7:28:30 PM PDT by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: af_vet_1981; Errant
Link: What was the church trying to hide? by Tony Bushby


What was the church trying to hide? IN 1415,THE CHURCH OF ROME TOOK AN EXTRAORDINARY STEP TO destroy all knowledge of two Second Century Jewish books that it said contained ‘the true name of Jesus Christ.’ The Antipope Benedict XIII firstly singled out for condemnation a secret Latin treatise called ‘Mar Yesu’ and then issued instructions to destroy all copies of the Book of Elxai. No editions of these writings now publicly exist, but church archives recorded that they were once in popular circulation and known to the early presbyters.

 

Knowledge of these writings survived from quotations made by Bishop Hippolytus of Rome (176 –236) and St Epiphanius of Salamis (315 – 403) along with references in some early editions of the Talmud of Palestine and Babylonia. The Rabbinic fraternity once held the destroyed manuscripts with great reverence for they were comprehensive original records reporting the ‘Life of Rabbi Jesus’.


Later, in a similar manner, Pope Alexander VI (1492 –1503) ordered all copies of the Talmud destroyed. The Council of the Inquisition required as many Jewish writings as possible to burn with the Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Tomas de Torquemada (1420 –98), responsible for the elimination of 6000 volumes at Salamanca.

 

In 1550,Cardinal Caraffa, the Inquisitor-General procured a Bull from the Pope repealing all previous permission for priests to read the Talmud which he said contained ‘hostile stories about Jesus Christ ’. Bursting forth with fury at the head of his minions, he seized every copy he could find in Rome and burnt them. Solomon Romano (1554) also burnt many thousands of Hebrew scrolls and in 1559 every Hebrew book in the city of Prague was confiscated.


The catholic church was doing all they could to wipe out the real worship of Yeshua, and every evidence thereof, even hostile evidence.

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958 posted on 03/09/2014 7:39:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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