He can not change himself but he certainly can change direction as was proven in the scripture I posted...
He became manifest in the flesh which was a pretty significant change so we know he can change like that...
It was against God's law to eat pork because it was unclean...God changed that, didn't he...
John the baptist was told to baptize with water but Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit...All kinds of changes in the scripture...
Even you guys admit to changes...How many of those 613 Laws still apply to you???
God has been known to change course even in the Torah...
Not when it makes him out to be a liar, nor when it causes his prophets to speak untruly.
In the Torah, the prophets spent a great deal of time prophesying about the Millennial reign of a physical kingdom with a King on a physical throne...A kingdom where the Torah will be in full force...That prophecy is all still true...
The apostle Paul does not void the Torah...The laws of the Torah along with it's feasts and sacrifices have been set aside by God while Israel has been set aside...Not eliminated, but set aside temporarily...
In that context Paul is not a liar...
You aren't getting what I am saying. I am saying that what you see in Paul's words isn't what he is saying. It can't be, or he is a false prophet.
Paul's epistles can not be made to be understood to align with the Torah...You can chose to disregard what I accept that Paul teaches but you are no better off because you then have to trash most of what Paul says anyway...What Paul teaches just doesn't fit with the Torah, because it was not intended to...
I think more importantly which ones were clearly fulfilled after Jesus Christ said all would be fulfilled. Meaning of course all the types and shadows of Messiah fulfilled in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ as well as Him sitting at the Right Hand of the Father.
Good post. We may still differ on how much is "set aside." Clearly to me none of the moral laws are set aside. We are to live holy lives in obedience. But an obedience which can only come with being called by God and spiritually regenerated by His shed Blood.
No, he didn't change direction - not according to the prophets. That he allows time for repentance and non-repentance does not change what is declared.
He became manifest in the flesh which was a pretty significant change so we know he can change like that...
Nope. Part of the plan. MASSIVELY predicted in Torah.
It was against God's law to eat pork because it was unclean...God changed that, didn't he...
Nope. Torah kosher is still what it always was.
John the baptist was told to baptize with water but Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit...All kinds of changes in the scripture...
No... Find it in Torah. Your problem is 'baptism'... Allowing the NT to define the terms.
Even you guys admit to changes...How many of those 613 Laws still apply to you???
Essentially all of them - though I do not recognize the Rabbinical view. ALL of Torah is still applicable. It can't *not* be.
In the Torah, the prophets spent a great deal of time prophesying about the Millennial reign of a physical kingdom with a King on a physical throne...A kingdom where the Torah will be in full force...That prophecy is all still true...
Yep... with bells on.
The apostle Paul does not void the Torah...The laws of the Torah along with it's feasts and sacrifices have been set aside by God while Israel has been set aside...Not eliminated, but set aside temporarily...
The easiest thing to point to is the feasts - If you don't know them, and practice them, what is coming WILL come to you as a thief in the night. It is those who understand the times and seasons (the Holy Days and Jubilees) that will not be caught unawares.
In that context Paul is not a liar...
Paul is not a liar at all. It is what you THINK he says that is misleading.
Paul's epistles can not be made to be understood to align with the Torah...You can chose to disregard what I accept that Paul teaches but you are no better off because you then have to trash most of what Paul says anyway...What Paul teaches just doesn't fit with the Torah, because it was not intended to...
I wholly disagree. I don't trash what Paul says at all. I just see it in a different light than you do. The Scriptures themselves say that Paul is tough sledding to those who don't understand... And then, one has to trash James and Peter and John to arrive at the conclusions y'all have met in Paul - How can you read Paul in harmony with them, and in harmony with Yeshua's own words, and in harmony with Torah? THEN you will see what Paul is saying.