That's true...But Jesus had the authority to change what he said...And he did, with the apostle Paul for one example...
Structurally, no he did not, because the change defeats the primary proof of YHWH - That He IS in control, that he can predict, and therefore, no word ever will come back empty.
And secondarily, in order to prophesy and be heard by the people, what is being said cannot contradict Torah, as Torah (and the prophets) define a false prophet as one who transgresses the Torah (and the prophets). So if it is Yeshua's (or Paul's) intention to be heard, what is said cannot transgress the Torah. PERIOD.
[roamer_1:] Yeshua declares that His words will never pass away.
And his words did not pass away...We still have them...
No, it isn't that we have them. He means His words will not change. Just like the Torah will not pass away.
But that does not mean what was good for one group at one time is history stays the same all thru out history...
YES IT DOES mean one thing is good for ALL groups through all time.
God has been known to change course even in the Torah...
Not when it makes him out to be a liar, nor when it causes his prophets to speak untruly.
[roamer_1:] How then can Paul change his words? He can't (and in fact, he didn't). But if one is not cognizant of the fact that a disciple cannot change the words of his master, one can interpret Paul differently than what was intended.
You have to ignore too much scripture to come up with that conclusion... Paul received new instructions directly from the risen Savior...Paul did not consult the Torah...Paul did not consult the other apostles...He got it directly from Jesus Christ...
But Yeshua IS YHWH and YHWH does not change. So what he was given STILL cannot contradict what came before... And there is no private revelation... You should know that...
So if we can believe John wrote exactly what the Holy Spirit refreshed his memory with, then we certainly can accept and believe the scriptures that were acknowledged by Peter to be scripture written by Paul, based on what Paul wrote and not thru the eyes of the Torah...
You aren't getting what I am saying. I am saying that what you see in Paul's words isn't what he is saying. It can't be, or he is a false prophet.
He can not change himself but he certainly can change direction as was proven in the scripture I posted...
He became manifest in the flesh which was a pretty significant change so we know he can change like that...
It was against God's law to eat pork because it was unclean...God changed that, didn't he...
John the baptist was told to baptize with water but Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit...All kinds of changes in the scripture...
Even you guys admit to changes...How many of those 613 Laws still apply to you???
God has been known to change course even in the Torah...
Not when it makes him out to be a liar, nor when it causes his prophets to speak untruly.
In the Torah, the prophets spent a great deal of time prophesying about the Millennial reign of a physical kingdom with a King on a physical throne...A kingdom where the Torah will be in full force...That prophecy is all still true...
The apostle Paul does not void the Torah...The laws of the Torah along with it's feasts and sacrifices have been set aside by God while Israel has been set aside...Not eliminated, but set aside temporarily...
In that context Paul is not a liar...
You aren't getting what I am saying. I am saying that what you see in Paul's words isn't what he is saying. It can't be, or he is a false prophet.
Paul's epistles can not be made to be understood to align with the Torah...You can chose to disregard what I accept that Paul teaches but you are no better off because you then have to trash most of what Paul says anyway...What Paul teaches just doesn't fit with the Torah, because it was not intended to...