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To: Errant
As we briefly touched on in another thread, the English word 'faith' no longer has the same meaning as it's Hebrew word 'aman':

In a word, BALDERDASH...

"The Hebrew root aman means firm, something that is supported or secure. This word is used in Isaiah 22:23 for a nail that is fastened to a "secure" place. Derived from this root is the word emun meaning a craftsman. A craftsman is one who is firm and secure in his talent. Also derived from aman is the word emunah meaning firmness, something or someone that is firm in their actions. When the Hebrew word emunah is translated as faith misconceptions of its meaning occur. Faith is usually perceived as a knowing while the Hebrew emunah is a firm action. To have faith in God is not knowing that God exists or knowing that he will act, rather it is that the one with emunah will act with firmness toward God's will. [i.e. Follow his Commandments]"

I don't have much respect for people who will intentionally distort the scriptures which leads people away from Jesus Christ...

Isa 22:23 And I will fastenH8628 him as a nailH3489 in a sureH539 place;H4725 and he shall beH1961 for a gloriousH3519 throneH3678 to his father's house.H1004

H539
'in a sure'
אמן
'âman
aw-man'
A primitive root; properly to build up or support; (to foster as a parent or nurse; figuratively to render (or be) firm or faithful, to trust or believe, to be permanent or quiet; morally to be true or certain; once (in Isa_30:21; by interchange for H541) to go to the right hand: - hence assurance, believe, bring up, establish, + fail, be faithful (of long continuance, stedfast, sure, surely, trusty, verified), nurse, (-ing father), (put), trust, turn to the right<).

Why in the world are we looking at a verse that says 'in a sure {place}' with the Hebrew word âman when the correct word and it's translation are already provided somewhere else???

This is pure deception and upon closer examination, that word that you chose is closer to the Greek word as translated in the NT...

And then the translators who knew what they were doing used the word 'sure' to get the CORRECT meaning of the verse because they have a clear understanding of the Hebrew as well as Greek...

SURE
1. confident in what one thinks or knows; having no doubt that one is right.


Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.H529

H529
'faith'
אמוּ
'êmûn
ay-moon'
From H539; established, that is, (figuratively) trusty; also (abstractly) trustworthiness: - faith (-ful), truth.

So this is one of the two places in the OT where a Hebrew word is translated into the English word faith...As as we can see, it is for good reason...

Interestingly, this translation of the word faith is the equivalent of the translation for faith used in the NT Greek...We call that a 'GOTCHA'...


Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.H530

H530
'faith'
אמנה אמוּנה
'ĕmûnâh 'ĕmûnâh
em-oo-naw', em-oo-naw'
Feminine of H529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity: - faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.

This is the 2nd place where a word is translated into the English 'by his faith' which IS true stability...


Now that we cleared up that deception, let's look at the Greek...

Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?G4102


G4102

'faith'
πίστις
pistis
pis'-tis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

We have the right word...We have the correct meaning...

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

276 posted on 03/05/2014 11:23:21 AM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Iscool

Well done!


290 posted on 03/05/2014 11:52:29 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Iscool
In a word, BALDERDASH...

Which pretty much is what is left when you distill down your lengthy post there coolaid...

We have the right word...We have the correct meaning...

No my FRiend, I'm afraid you don't have the correct meaning as is abundantly obvious in your attempt to twist scripture to justify you ignoring the Almighty's commandments. As I told you, the same Hebrew meaning ['supporting by acting'] is also the Hebrew meaning of the translated word '[to] believe', which is more often used in the Greek translation.

"We now know that the Hebrew word for "believe" is "aman" and has a very different meaning from our understanding of "believe". The Hebrew word "aman" appears to have the more Hebraic meaning of "support". Going back to the concordance we can look up this word looking for verses that contain parallels. Below are several verses with the word "aman" (#539) within them. As the books of Psalms and Proverbs are all poetic, this is the best place to find parallels."

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/20_poetry.html

298 posted on 03/05/2014 12:55:14 PM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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