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To: Iscool; editor-surveyor
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

We are no long under the Law of the Torah...Says so right there...

As we briefly touched on in another thread, the English word 'faith' no longer has the same meaning as it's Hebrew word 'aman':

"The Hebrew root aman means firm, something that is supported or secure. This word is used in Isaiah 22:23 for a nail that is fastened to a "secure" place. Derived from this root is the word emun meaning a craftsman. A craftsman is one who is firm and secure in his talent. Also derived from aman is the word emunah meaning firmness, something or someone that is firm in their actions. When the Hebrew word emunah is translated as faith misconceptions of its meaning occur. Faith is usually perceived as a knowing while the Hebrew emunah is a firm action. To have faith in God is not knowing that God exists or knowing that he will act, rather it is that the one with emunah will act with firmness toward God's will. [i.e. Follow his Commandments]"

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/27_faith.html

You will find the same misunderstanding exists with our used of the word 'believe'.

201 posted on 03/05/2014 6:04:16 AM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: Errant
As we briefly touched on in another thread, the English word 'faith' no longer has the same meaning as it's Hebrew word 'aman':

Galatians was written in Greek, not Hebrew. Feel free to dispute that if you wish, but the onus is upon you to present a Hebrew text of Galatians that clearly predates the Greek, rather than the other way around.

The Greek word translated "faith" in Gal. 3:25 is pistis, which has the same definition as the English word "faith": conviction that something is true, taking someone at his word, etc.

Paul's meaning in Galatians 3, therefore, is plain: Abraham was declared righteous by God because of his faith: he took God at his word when he was promised that his descendants would be many and great. The law, on the other hand, brought a curse upon anyone who could not perfectly obey it. Jesus Christ redeemed his people from that curse by taking it upon himself on his cross. Those who place their trust in the Christ, share the faith of Abraham and are his spiritual heirs.

Moses' law, which came centuries afterward, cannot nullify the covenant made with Abraham. Its purpose is to show everyone their sin, and to point them to Christ. Paul likens the law to a "schoolmaster," that is, a paidagogos—a slave in the Roman household that was responsible for the moral upbringing of the children, as well as their discipline. Of course, once the children came of age, there was no further need of the paidaogogos; similarly, once the children of God have come of age—placed their trust in their Messiah, Jesus—there is no further need of the law.

If Paul were alive today, he would recognize this Hebrew Roots crap as the very thing he opposed in the churches of Galatia. For them, the issue was the necessity of circumcising Gentile Christians, rather than keeping Jewish festivals or intoning the magic Hebrew names for God, but the principle is the same: those who will bind you to a tiny part of the law, really seek to bind you to all of it. You can have the law, or you can have the Christ. You can't have both. I will put my trust in the words of Paul in Scripture, and the Messiah whom he proclaimed, and not in the apostate ravings of this Michael Rood. Amen.

212 posted on 03/05/2014 7:37:07 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: Errant

Sorry, I somehow clicked on the wrong post to reply!
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242 posted on 03/05/2014 9:56:11 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Errant
As we briefly touched on in another thread, the English word 'faith' no longer has the same meaning as it's Hebrew word 'aman':

In a word, BALDERDASH...

"The Hebrew root aman means firm, something that is supported or secure. This word is used in Isaiah 22:23 for a nail that is fastened to a "secure" place. Derived from this root is the word emun meaning a craftsman. A craftsman is one who is firm and secure in his talent. Also derived from aman is the word emunah meaning firmness, something or someone that is firm in their actions. When the Hebrew word emunah is translated as faith misconceptions of its meaning occur. Faith is usually perceived as a knowing while the Hebrew emunah is a firm action. To have faith in God is not knowing that God exists or knowing that he will act, rather it is that the one with emunah will act with firmness toward God's will. [i.e. Follow his Commandments]"

I don't have much respect for people who will intentionally distort the scriptures which leads people away from Jesus Christ...

Isa 22:23 And I will fastenH8628 him as a nailH3489 in a sureH539 place;H4725 and he shall beH1961 for a gloriousH3519 throneH3678 to his father's house.H1004

H539
'in a sure'
אמן
'âman
aw-man'
A primitive root; properly to build up or support; (to foster as a parent or nurse; figuratively to render (or be) firm or faithful, to trust or believe, to be permanent or quiet; morally to be true or certain; once (in Isa_30:21; by interchange for H541) to go to the right hand: - hence assurance, believe, bring up, establish, + fail, be faithful (of long continuance, stedfast, sure, surely, trusty, verified), nurse, (-ing father), (put), trust, turn to the right<).

Why in the world are we looking at a verse that says 'in a sure {place}' with the Hebrew word âman when the correct word and it's translation are already provided somewhere else???

This is pure deception and upon closer examination, that word that you chose is closer to the Greek word as translated in the NT...

And then the translators who knew what they were doing used the word 'sure' to get the CORRECT meaning of the verse because they have a clear understanding of the Hebrew as well as Greek...

SURE
1. confident in what one thinks or knows; having no doubt that one is right.


Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.H529

H529
'faith'
אמוּ
'êmûn
ay-moon'
From H539; established, that is, (figuratively) trusty; also (abstractly) trustworthiness: - faith (-ful), truth.

So this is one of the two places in the OT where a Hebrew word is translated into the English word faith...As as we can see, it is for good reason...

Interestingly, this translation of the word faith is the equivalent of the translation for faith used in the NT Greek...We call that a 'GOTCHA'...


Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.H530

H530
'faith'
אמנה אמוּנה
'ĕmûnâh 'ĕmûnâh
em-oo-naw', em-oo-naw'
Feminine of H529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity: - faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.

This is the 2nd place where a word is translated into the English 'by his faith' which IS true stability...


Now that we cleared up that deception, let's look at the Greek...

Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?G4102


G4102

'faith'
πίστις
pistis
pis'-tis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

We have the right word...We have the correct meaning...

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

276 posted on 03/05/2014 11:23:21 AM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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