Posted on 03/02/2014 3:59:10 PM PST by Errant
>> “Jesus Christ said that those who keep his teaching love Him.” <<
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His teaching is to follow his father’s commandments.
He taught nothing else in his life.
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“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
“The “house of Israel” are the ten northern tribes dispersed throughout the world. They are who he came to save. That includes you.
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No. I’m not Jewish. Never been Jewish. Under your theory the entire population of the earth is Jewish. DNA refutes that theory.
By the way, as an English speaker, you can call the Savior, Jesus. You don’t have to use His Hebrew name.
“His teaching is to follow his father’s commandments. He taught nothing else in his life.”
Here, you careen off the road and head downhill, not knowing the difference between Jews and Gentiles in Scripture. Not knowing the difference between Israel and the Church.
And at the bottom of the hill, you crash into a life of legalism and think you are a Jew.
Acts 15:
[19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
[20] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
[21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
That is what they taught them, to learn by listening to Torah being read every sabbath day.
Since they were essentially all northern Israelites, they were already trying to keep Torah, but there were Pharisees infiltrating them insisting that they had to be circumcised, which they did not.
Read the word for understanding, not to see what you can get away with.
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Acts 15: The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
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No Torah requirement. No Law. From the Apostles all gathered together after discussion - and delivered to them via the Holy Spirit.
I will accept the Word of God, the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and the Apostles over your theories FRiend.
>> “Here, you careen off the road and head downhill, not knowing the difference between Jews and Gentiles in Scripture” <<
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To be expected from a Dispy, but you do err deeply!
Jews are of the “House of Judah.”
The ‘gentiles’ he came for were the out of covenant lost sheep of “the House of Israel.” That is his congregation. (he didn’t call them a “church” that is catholic twisting)
That is who the “gentiles” were. all who are not in covenant were called Goyim, which was always translated “gentile.”
Without that level of understanding, Matthew 15:24 would make no sense at all.
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“That is what they taught them, to learn by listening to Torah being read every sabbath day.”
False.
The council, as a courtesy to Jewish believers who hear Moses Preached, asked a minimal amount from Gentile converts. Very little.
If EVER there were a time to put gentiles under Law, this would have been it, but the opposite happened.
In other words, Gentiles are not fake Jews and are not under Law.
“Without that level of understanding, Matthew 15:24 would make no sense at all.”
Understanding is something you’ve yet to demonstrate in your posts. What you wrote is bogus and supports a false theology.
What else do you have?
It will cost you eternal life if you fail to study and find the truth, which you completely miss presently.
So close, but yet so far!
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If the words of Yeshua are not for you, I have nothing else for you.
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The council was not addressing Jewish believers, they were addressing northern Israelites in Asia Minor.
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“If the words of Yeshua are not for you, I have nothing else for you.”
Jesus Christ is the antithesis of legalism.
I certainly can't blame you for wanting to change the subject.
Yeah, but but but but "Jesus" is derived from the name of the false Greek god Zeus! You can't pray to Jesus. Even though God knows all, he'll still mistake it for a wrong number!
“The council was not addressing Jewish believers, they were addressing northern Israelites in Asia Minor.”
The distortions it takes to do away with the actual words!
It addresses what to tell GENTILES. It says NOTHING about Torah. Could have. Purposely doesn’t. That speaks more than all you posted FRiend.
The Holy Spirit turned down your position. Everyone who understands grace will follow Him.
I know your legalistic position better than you do yourself. I’ve studied it, dealt with legalistic churches and Christians bound in legalism many times.
I gave you many chances to provide evidence for your claims and in each instance you failed. Are we done, or do you have something that supports your claims you can present for examination?
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Yeah, but but but but “Jesus” is derived from the name of the false Greek god Zeus! You can’t pray to Jesus. Even though God knows all, he’ll still mistake it for a wrong number!”
Excellent. It is funny when someone thinks Hebrew is a holy language.
That sir is the subject!
Doers will be justified, not readers.
It is not “legalism.”
There is no such thing in all of the scriptures.
You are risking eternity on man made slogans.
Go to the scriptures for your answers, not to men’s inventions.
The NT scriptures say doers will be justified, not readers.
“There is no such thing in all of the scriptures.”
Legalism is a term to describe what Paul demonstrates is false in Galatians. In short, legalism is what you advocate.
“You are risking eternity on man made slogans.”
You have no idea why I believe. You don’t even know me. Don’t pretend. I base my belief on a very close study of Scripture in original languages and going through it verse by verse from cover to cover.
“Go to the scriptures for your answers, not to men’s inventions.”
I do. I do not follow the heretical notions you advance here. You are involved in a subset of a subset of a subset of “Christianity.” Not unlike Jehovah’s Witnesses - though I suspect your group has fewer members.
“The NT scriptures say doers will be justified, not readers.”
Now you just need to study to understand what that means.
You have no understanding of what Paul is saying to anyone.
It doesn’t matter whether it is Galatians, or Romans, what Paul said is false is what Yeshua said is false in Matthew 15 and Matthew 23, the false oral laws of the Pharisees, not his blessed Torah.
How can anyone make that mistake? When Paul speaks of Torah, it is glowingly, not negatively. You are reading with a bias that confounds your understanding. How can Paul condemn and also praise the same thing in the same chapter? He doesn’t!
The takanot and ma’asim of the Pharisees is the only “law” that is ever declared false anywhere.
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