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YOu don’t get it. This has nothing to do with the time on the clock. The submersion of the plane had a specific order in which the various parts of the plane went under. As of when the Puentes photo was taken with Fuddy and Yamamoto close to the door, the 2 windows between the wing and the door were already submerged. Lang’s photo was taken before those were fully submerged.

Doesn’t matter what time on the clock; unless those windows came up out of the water again, Lang’s photos had to be before Puentes’. What would have lifted those windows out of the water? That is the question that only one person has tried to answer - by saying that people standing on the steps (after the Fuddy and Yamamoto photo was taken) were heavy enough to upend the whole rest of the plane so that it created a different fulcrum than the normal center of gravity which is right around the wings.

I don’t think so.... Contrary to what people would like to say about me, I don’t think that any of the passengers were large enough tip a waterlogged, half-submerged plane back up out of the water. Do you think they were?

The submersion of the plane had a specific order in which the various parts of the plane went under. As of when the Puentes photo was taken with Fuddy and Yamamoto close to the door, the 2 windows between the wing and the door were already submerged. Lang’s photo was taken before those were fully submerged.

The above image seems to be the first time we see the aircraft in the water. After this, the pilot Josh returned to the airfield to seek help, finding no one there, he returned to the scene and by the time he flew over the striken plane again, this is what he photographed:

Meanwhile, in the water, some of the survivors are making their way to the wing while the plane is slowly going down, nose first because that's where it's the heaviest:

In the above it looks like Fuddy isn't out of the aircraft yet, and Yamamoto is waiting for her on or near the steps.

Now she's out, the passengers have made their way to the wing, and the two windows near the wing are submerged.

The difficulty appears to be in trying to establish just where the passengers were when Josh took the second photograph. It looks like they had drifted a considerable distance before the aircraft actually sank.

And so they had, see how far Puentes is from the aircraft now? If that's about the amount of time it took for Josh to return to the airfield, find no one there, get back into his aircraft, taxi down the runway, take off, fly back to the scene, the passengers would have been that far from the sinking plane.

“YOu don’t get it.”

No, it is yourself who “don’t get it.”

“This has nothing to do with the time on the clock.”

Either it has everything to do with the “time on the clock,” of you live in a fantasyland where magic trumps physics.

“The submersion of the plane had a specific order in which the various parts of the plane went under.”

Which is a false assumption, because the aircraft does not settle evenly in just one direction as the seawater changes the balance of the aircraft with time.

“As of when the Puentes photo was taken with Fuddy and Yamamoto close to the door, the 2 windows between the wing and the door were already submerged.”

You fail to take into account how the aircraft sinks by wrongly assuming the aircraft sinks in only one direction and failing to take into account how the aircraft is bobbing around in the 6 foot to 13 foot waves knocking the aircraft around.

“Lang’s photo was taken before those were fully submerged.”

The different photos demonstrate the exact opposite of what you claim, Lang’s images were made after the Puente images, as demonstrated by the wings relative to the surface of the sea.

“Doesn’t matter what time on the clock; unless those windows came up out of the water again, Lang’s photos had to be before Puentes’.”

Again, you are making wrong assumptions about the sinking of the aircraft and then stubbornly asserting a wrong conclusion and a rather extremely bizarre conclusion about there being a fake aircrat in the sea based upon your wrong assumptions.

“What would have lifted those windows out of the water?”

The seawater filling the cabin pitched the aircraft towards the aft, which lowered the aircraft’s tail and the aft windows into the sea more and less between the 6 fott to 13 foot waves bobbing the aircraft around. The pitch aftwards raised the nose of the aircraft and its engine compartment higher in the water for awhile as the cabin filled. Then the engine compartment refilled and filled spaces not reached by the water before, and the wings had more time in which to fill with seawater. This changed the fore and aft balance of the aircraft to sink the nose farther down in the sea, submerge the wings as seen in the Lang images and not so much in the Puentes images, and pitched the tail upwards some more. Absent are images as the aircraft finished sinking out of sight, which should have had the nose taking a nearly vertical orientation with the tail rudder high in the air as it finished slipping beneath the waves.

The images and the positions of the windows, tail, wings, and engine compartment clearly indicate Lang’s images were made well after the Puentes images.