Posted on 02/09/2014 9:26:46 AM PST by Errant
Show us some scripture for that one or admit you made it up...
When did you guys ever care for 'as it is written'???
Won't be any born again Christians' names in the book of life...We won't be the defendants at that judgment...
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
We are saved, right now...We are not going to get unsaved...
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
We are seated spiritually in Heaven...We have been given the down payment, sealing the deal...God says if we get too out of line he will discipline us, not kill us...
Why have you never read?
Check out Exodus 21 and Numbers 35:16-21 for starters. I am not going to take the time to type out what God commanded. He is still the same God that was back when He gave His law to the children.
Some might want to do a bit of homework and read what Paul said would be again. (ICorinthians 10:11) There are no shortcuts except there is no more blood sacrifices required, that perfect and for all time sacrifice was Christ our Passover. There will be a big time quiz though, have you never read?
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He That came down from heaven, even the Son of man Which is in heaven.
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood," ...again... Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood .. get it ...... Born from above ..... He also Himself likewise took part of the same; THAT through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Galatians 4: 21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Cast out the old covenant of the law that they were under bondage to. We are under the freedom of Christ. (So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed)
Hebrews 8: 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
There are many more passages that show that the old covenant has passed away. It has not been renewed, fixed, or adjusted.
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
The ‘new’ covenant means that every individual has first hand direct access to the Creator in Christ. That covenant made with Abraham still is in existence but Christ nailed to the cross the required blood sacrifices for the remission of sin.
That miracle while Christ was upon the cross, wherein the ‘veil’ in the temple was rent from the top down disposed the need to go to a flesh man to get repentance.
Go ahead break the Ten Commandments as is the claim they are no longer in effect. This nation turned their backs upon the Ten Commandments and now we are going into lawlessness... Course God did have His elected holy prophets forewarn what would be.
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
>> Go ahead break the Ten Commandments as is the claim they are no longer in effect.<<
The Holy Spirit was sent to indwell us just as it was the apostles.
Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.
Now with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit what on earth would cause you to think that a born again Christian would willingly break the ten commandments without incredible guilt?
Besides, if you don’t understand the spiritual nature of our new existence it would be wise to study up on it.
Hebrews 10:8 Above when He said, “Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin Thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein;” which are offered by the LAW;
The ‘first’ taken away was the law or more correctly said blood ordinances wherein a blood sacrifice was offered for remission of sin.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was God. (Still is, and that would mean the Holy Spirit is NOT going to ignore the WORD. Indwelling or out-dwelling.)
So which is it the Ten Commandments are covered over by ‘grace’ or there is still a penalty to pay when one of them is broken?
THIS nation never received them. The JEWISH nation did.
Does NO one know what a COVENANT is?
Romans 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Starting off by calling the Galatians, "Fools", Paul then says, in the 3rd chapter:
15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
Some people just WANT to be under LAW!
Acts 15: 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
There were people in those days trying to do the same thing as you are right now. There was a major meeting of the apostles and that was the decision made by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Do you know something the Holy Spirit didn’t? Or do you think there is a chance that your missing something in your interpretation?
And a lot of them it seems. I’m wondering if it doesn’t come from the sin of pride. If they think they are doing something to earn or justify their salvation it keeps them from admitting that they are totally depraved.
If you feel you must be under the Law and the Prophets, let me make it a little easier for you. These four passages explain the fulfillment of all the law and the prophets:
"Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Mat 22:36-40 KJV)
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Mat 7:12 KJV)
"Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Rom 13:10 KJV)
"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." (Gal 5:14 KJV)
Philip
What whacked out theology.
Jesus Himself told us that we need to be born again.
Those who are born again, born from above, ARE Christians.
In Jude those 'fallen angels' refused to take this flesh journey and they will not 'see' the kingdom of God.
God some Scripture to support that?
I see an amazing number of people put forth their theology and make blanket, authoritative statements but are really short on providing Scripture to support it.
Usually, they just devolve into personal attacks.
If you look on a woman (man, too) to lust after them, that is the same as adultery.
If you hate someone, that is equivalent to murder.
In the Beatitudes, Jesus cleared all the misunderstasnding about the Law. It’s not just a matter of outward actions, but of the heart. And NO ONE’S heart is sin free.
Therefore, all of us fall into one of those categories listed in Revelation 22.
And Revelation 22 was not written about the churches in Revelation 2 & 3 but it was telling them what was going to happen to unbelievers, not what was going to happen to them.
>>So, I take it you now DO believe that Jesus is Almighty God incarnate?<<
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Both of you are incredibly sick.If you can’t find any real basis for attack you just invent one.
I don’t know which one of you is Satan’s #1 operator here; it may be a dead tie, Dead spiritually, that is.
You have been given ample opportunity to explain to us the nature of all the God’s you see in scripture but fail to do so. Now you simply resort to attacking us personally. You say we are wrong yet give only vague answers as to what you think we are wrong about.
You clearly stated you see multiple gods in scripture. Are those all part of one god? Are those individual gods? Help us out here. Please explain.
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Ripping this one sentence out of context certainly turns it in its head! Do you reverse the intent of James words deliberately?
James 1:
[22] But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
[23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[24] For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 2:
[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
[13] For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
[14] What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[15] If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[16] And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25] Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
So we see that in reading the word, Context is everything.
Your deliberate attempt to turn Yehova's word backward on itself is a failure again, as always by posting the full context of the verse you rip therefrom.
Have you no shame at all?
Do you fail to realize that you do this in the full view of Yehova?
>> “You clearly stated you see multiple gods in scripture.” <<
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No, you say that, and you are a confirmed liar!
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Do you really wish to join yourself with this circus of liars and fools?
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