Parenthetically Speaking (Before We Are Saved From the Wrath To Come)

A Rood Awakening Tv ^ | 7 February 2014 | Michael Rood

[Errant]

It’s the Roodites who think to condemn true Christians for using the name Jesus.

Go back and review the comments and you will see who first brought it up.

If you think I’m going to waste even one minute listening to that apostate you’re kidding yourself.

Then remain ignorant. But don't expect us to follow you down a 'dead end' road.

That’s been debunked enough to know only a few trying to force apostasy into scripture believe it.

Remove your hands from your eyes and have a look at the mountain of evidence to the contrary. The second link takes you to a presentation my Nehemiah Gordon you need to see!

You Roodites should just find a room and play together rather than try to lead true born again Christians astray.

Let me guess, "true born again Christians" would be you and the other "enlightened" whom you like to hang with??? lol

Btw, this IS OUR room. So go find your own if you can't handle the truth or the search for it.

[Errant]

Still pushing a proven thief and liar doesn’t make you appear very bright.

You must mean me, pushing you to overcome ignorance.

[Errant]

Here Nehemiah makes the case that Matthew was first written in Hebrew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLDFBD008DE9BAD49B&feature=player_detailpage&v=w61JgQhLEn0#t=179

[CynicalBear]

>> to a presentation my Nehemiah Gordon<<

The guy who denies Jesus is God? Are you kidding me? What other sick demented apostates do you listen to?

>> Btw, this IS OUR room.<<

Last I looked it’s an open thread. Like I said. You guys should find a room of your own and play together.

>> So go find your own if you can't handle the truth or the search for it.<<

You can find some truth here.

[Errant]

The guy who denies Jesus is God? Are you kidding me? What other sick demented apostates do you listen to?

Nehemiah Gordon is a Karaite Jew. I've forgotten if you've mentioned hating Karaite Jews or not. Do you hate them too?

You really are a flat earther CB. Who better to learn from than from a Hebrew Scholar who has no reason to bend the truth, translated; "he doesn't have a dog in the hunt".

It's obvious you don't care to know what the truth is...

[Elsie]

Where is the REFORMED Egyptian??

Funny how much of our entanglement in these LDs we are dealing with the Egyptians

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The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.

No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...

only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.

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Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

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*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.

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Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:

 

What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.

[Elsie]

The BACKYARD professor??

Your chosen religion LIES to little children about how the 'plates' were 'translated'!!!

 

 

[Elsie]

The KJV is the version of choice by all genuine students of the Bible because it has the largest compendium of collateral support available.

And the only charge they could get to stick to Al Capone was tax evasion; too.

[Errant]

How Yeshua's words are portrayed in the Greek are fundamentally different than how they are portrayed in Hebrew - Nehemiah Gordon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLDFBD008DE9BAD49B&feature=player_detailpage&v=NBBuYZ9RbJk#t=1020

[CynicalBear]

>>Nehemiah Gordon is a Karaite Jew.<<

Are you that naïve? I said Nehemiah Gordon does not believe Jesus or Yeshua or anyone else is the Messiah. It has nothing to do with hating anyone. And his being a Karaite Jew certainly doesn’t make him a messianic Jew.

Here’s a couple of excerpts from an email from Nehemiah Gordon.

“I have not converted to Christianity nor do I attempt to convince anyone to change their faith. I suppose the reason for these false speculations is that some people have a hard time understanding why a Jew who does not believe in Jesus would write a book on his teachings unless he has a secret agenda.”

“Let me start with my views on Jesus of Nazareth, or as he was known 2000 years ago, "Yeshua". Over the past few years I have gained a great respect for his teachings, but I have not embraced the Christian faith nor have I become a "Messianic Jew." I clearly state this in all of my presentations in order to avoid any possible confusion. I am, as I have been for over twenty years, a Karaite Jew, which means I believe the Tanakh ("Old Testament") to be the perfect word of God. As a Karaite Jew, I await the coming of an anointed King (in Hebrew: "Messiah") who will be a direct descendant of King David. I have no idea what his name will be and therefore I do not rule out the possibility that his name will be "Yeshua". Many Jews, and Karaites in particular, may vehemently disagree with me on this last point. All I can say is that when the anointed descendant of David reigns as a flesh and blood king over Israel, as promised in the Scriptures, we will all know his name as an accomplished fact.”

The full email can be found here

>>You really are a flat earther CB. Who better to learn from than from a Hebrew Scholar who has no reason to bend the truth, translated; "he doesn't have a dog in the hunt".<<

No reason to bend the truth? No dog in the hunt? Who do you think you are kidding? He denies the Messiah and you think he has no dog in the hunt?

>>It's obvious you don't care to know what the truth is...<

It’s obvious I know more of the truth than you do if you didn’t even know he denies the Messiah.

[CynicalBear]

I’m not stupid enough to listen and take the word of a self proclaimed denier of the Messiah on what the Messiah says. Do you also listen to Obama on what the constitution says?

[Errant]

What other sick demented apostates do you listen to?

Your words about Nehemiah Gordon CB, NOT mine, and less than two comments from here. Sounds like hatred to me...

We all have a pretty good idea of what the beliefs of Karaite Jews are. Again, he has no reason to bend the truth concerning what language Yeshua spoke or what language the book of Matthew was written in.

You would do well to view his presentation on the subject...

[CynicalBear]

Yeah, and you should learn from Obama what the constitution means.

[Errant]

Yeah, and you should learn from Obama what the constitution means.

When acquiring knowledge CB, the idea is to go to the source with the most knowledge about what it is you wish to know about. In this case, that would be a Hebrew Scholar like Nehemiah Gordon. He knows about Hebrew manuscripts, translations thereof and the language spoken in the land of Israel during the time period we are interested in.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? I really don't get the problem you seem to be having with it, unless it's just a bias on your part because of the man's religious beliefs.

[CynicalBear]

>>I really don't get the problem you seem to be having with it<<

That’s because you don’t follow scripture.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Play stupid if you want to but I’ll follow what scripture says.

Seriously Errant. If you keep following the people you have been listening to you are destined for a very sad eternity. Scripture say don’t let them in your house. That includes their teachings. Continue at your eternal risk. If you are truly searching for truth you will heed those warnings in scripture and ditch those unbelievers. Look again at the statement: “is partaker of his evil deeds”.

[Errant]

That’s because you don’t follow scripture.

Sure I do CB, it's you who have a problem with following the Almighty's commandments, remember. How soon you do forget...

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

[Cvengr]

Proverbs are neither a commandment, nor the law.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Are you that naïve? I said Nehemiah Gordon does not believe Jesus or Yeshua or anyone else is the Messiah.” <<

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You are into something that you cannot possibly understand on this.

Do you realize that Yeshua didn’t actually come as the Messiah on his first coming?

He came as the suffering servant, and will come as Messiah/King on the second coming.

Nehemia Gordon is a dedicated researcher, and a stickler for detail. Every Christian he has met has insisted that Yeshua is the messiah, which he obviously is, but on examining all the scriptural evidence, Gordon searches for a messiah, and does not see one in the suffering servant that died on the cross.

This is a common hangup for a considerable number of Jewish scholars. He doesn’t deny that Yeshua came, and he has studied all that is available to him about Yeshua and says that he is still looking for the messiah.

There is no denying that the Holy Spirit is working through him, if you meet him in person. The Holy Spirit touches everyone in the room when he is there. I’m kind of holding my judgement on this because of what I’ve seen, and the things that happen when he and Keith Johnson are together.

I don’t blame anyone for being cautious about accepting him, but attacking him is clearly a mistake; he produces much fruit for Yeshua, and throws no stones at all.
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[editor-surveyor]

Proverbs are Yehova’s wisdom made available to man.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God” <<

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But Gordon abides in every thing Yeshua taught, in the minutest detail, just like John and Peter did, and it took them a few months to come around, even though they were with Yeshua in person. Until the day he filled their net with fish, they were holding back.

My guess is that his net will soon get filled too.
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