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Escalation in Ukraine
January 23, 2014 | Various

Posted on 01/23/2014 6:47:09 PM PST by annalex

Escalation in Ukraine

Digest by Annalex

Two significant recent developments are:

1. First fatalities, apparently from live ammunition, among the demonstrators.

Injuries, including serious injuries are in the hundreds if not in the thousands. The rubber bullet can gouge an eye and therefore, at a right angle can be itself fatal. The sun grenades reportedly rip through flesh if the explosion is next to it. Ironically, neither of the two confirmed fatalities are Ukrainian: one is an Armenian from Eastern Ukraine; the other is a Belorussian resident of Ukraine.

One fatality (linked content here and below is rather graphic);

I suspect injuries among the military police. Watch, for example, how stoically they take Molotov cocktails; this has to leave marks.

Molotov cocktails

This is a long series of photos showing the combat technology.


Different bullets


The blogger describes this as “traumatic and strike ball” weaponry


Stun grenade


“Rumor has it, Bertkut (militarized police) tape bolts and nuts to stun and gas grenades”



Molotov cocktails. These are, someone explains, not properly done: straight kerosene or gasoline, rather than something more gooey; they invariably hurt the thrower as well.


Catapult 1 (it broke, they built another, of simple construction)


Archer


People got much better building the barricades.


Priests and monks often stand separating the combatants.

Much more on this topic, and in full resolution available, is in Zyalt’s blog

This Israeli blogger believes the fatalities were on order form the Kremlin. Yanukovich was ready to compromise with the protesters, so Putin made sure that, with mass shedding of blood, Yanukovich has no game left but toe the Kremlin’s line.

2. Other regions, naturally, in the West, are rising as well.

The country is divided, fuzzily, in two parts: ethnically Ukrainian West and mixed Russian-Ukrainian East. This blogger, Basmanov, writes in Russian and for Russians:

If you are a TV watcher, and think that the Russian Federation is your state and that the power structure of Putin pederasts [common swear in Russian] is for you, or if you are simply a fool, quit reading now. This is the material for them who understand that the Russians are an oppressed nation in the RF, its land is long since occupied and it is still to be re-conquered in the future. There is no other road for us: against the background of the Russians dying off, the mass foreign colonization policy conducted by the RF government is death to our people. So the question is stark: either the Russians throw out the power that be or the power that be slowly destroys out people. It is not important if you support Yanukovich or not. The technology is important. Learn carefully. When it is time to give a fight to the anti-Russian regime that seized power in RF and is oppressing our nation, you will approximately know what to do.


The map of provincial governments taken (red) or blocked (pink)

A news roundup follows with links:

We live in interesting times, folks.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: putin; revolt
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1 posted on 01/23/2014 6:47:09 PM PST by annalex
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To: A.A. Cunningham; andyk; BatGuano; bayliving; Belteshazzar; bert; Bibman; Bigg Red; bigheadfred; ...

If you want to be on this right wing, monarchy, paleolibertarianism and nationalism ping list, but are not, please let me know. If you are on it and want to be off, also let me know.


2 posted on 01/23/2014 6:48:09 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

(Repeat from another thread.)

I’ve been watching the situation by the hour. It seems that the protesters are digging in and not accepting the compromise agreement signed by the leaders with Yanukovych just before midnight and giving the 300 arrested amnesty. Revolution is in the works. They are building barricades, and preparing for serious fights. “The band (Yanukovich’s regime) is using all methods to choke us. Why should we keep down?” asks Andrei Tarasenko, coordinator of a new radical movement Right Sector which refuses to negotiate with the regime. Graffiti on the walls along the main avenue in Kiev: “This is our land! Liberty or death! Long Live the Revolution!”

By the way, get ready for a poster here who is a member of the George Soros Fan Club, in the negative sense, but the obsession is the same as if he worshipped him, who will repeat this one line that Soros is behind the protests, funding them and organizing via his proxy organizations. Don’t believe it, and you’re “utterly stupid”, and of course a globalist.


3 posted on 01/23/2014 6:49:13 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Revolting cat!
who will repeat this one line that Soros is behind the protests, funding them and organizing via his proxy organizations. Don’t believe it, and you’re “utterly stupid”

Well if he can come up with evidence, that's what I'll believe. It certainly wouldn't be the first time Soros has played around in that part of the world, nor would it be the first time FReepers flung themselves off a blind cliff only to get burned.

That said, I haven't really paid it any attention. We've got too many problems closer to home.
4 posted on 01/23/2014 6:57:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Soros meddles everywhere, but he is also disliked in Eastern Europe as much or more as he is disliked here, and the amount of influence he has there is at the very least questionable.


5 posted on 01/23/2014 7:01:48 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: annalex
Ukranians protest, fight etc.

we conservatives and Americans sit watching TV while the socialists/democrats take away our freedom, steal our money, ruin our opportunities to make money, while they steal our country and our birthright

6 posted on 01/23/2014 7:04:41 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: annalex

For those who don’t know, folks in the Ukraine are wanting closer ties with the EU. Yanukovich is pro-Russian and wanted a loan from Russia instead. That’s part of what started it. Russia, of course, wants to own the Ukraine and other former satellite Soviet countries again.


7 posted on 01/23/2014 7:05:15 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Yeah he does...

Soros helped bring down the communist government in Poland, toppled Serbia’s bloodstained strongman Slobodan Milosevic, and fueled the “Rose Revolution” in Georgia. Soros has also funded opposition parties in Azerbaijan, Belarus, Croatia, Georgia, and Macedonia, helping them into either power or prominence. All of these countries were once Russian allies.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardminiter/2011/09/09/should-george-soros-be-allowed-to-buy-u-s-foreign-policy/


8 posted on 01/23/2014 7:11:09 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: familyop

“folks in the Ukraine are wanting closer ties with the EU”

In the west, that’s true. In the east, its the opposite. Can’t help but be reminded of Castro’s guerrillas fighting the Batista regime. Guess which side FEMEN fights for?


9 posted on 01/23/2014 7:12:08 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Revolting cat!

Let the Ukrainians join the EU and within five years they will be bankrupt like most of western Europe. Also, I think Russia should not be calling the shots either. I think this is what is going to happen until all of Europe is over run by the Soro-ist. Nothing but chaos.


10 posted on 01/23/2014 7:12:37 PM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Irenic

Soros has collapsed countries for financial gain over and over again.


11 posted on 01/23/2014 7:12:46 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: annalex

From Ann Barnhardt:

Ukraine: You Better Pay Attention Because That’s How It’s Eventually Going to Play Out in North America.

http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/01/23/ukraine-you-better-pay-attention-because-it-thats-how-its-going-to-play-out-here/


12 posted on 01/23/2014 7:15:45 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Busko

I agree. Ukraine needs to steer clear of any kind of economic union that will steal their sovereignty.


13 posted on 01/23/2014 7:16:04 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: familyop

I’ve been in contact via email and twitter with Ukrainians in the Square, Kiev, Odessa, Uzhgorod, and Dnepropetrovsk in the last three days. I’m told that the military (Ukrainian?) went through Dnepropetrovsk on their way to Kiev. At this point all significant protest is in the central section of Kiev. All have used the same words to describe the ordeal. They use sad, corrupt, illegal, desire for independence, freedom, and liberty. They are peaceful people that are caught in a corrupt situation. Yanukovych is a Putin puppet who was removed fm office for corruption in 2004. I believe that the crackdown will intensify around February 6 when the world is distracted by Sochi.

Gwjack


14 posted on 01/23/2014 7:16:38 PM PST by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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To: Busko

You (We) don’t like the EU, so you think the Ukrainians who want to join it, and are shedding blood for the cause (although that is not the sole cauyse of these protests!), are just stupid, and we are soooooo much smarter than them. They have their reasons, their good reasons from their point of view, not, thankfully, ours. Try to learn them.


15 posted on 01/23/2014 7:20:17 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: annalex

I wish them all well, but I think I will sit this one out until John McCain decides what side he wants to bomb and then I’ll pull for them to win.


16 posted on 01/23/2014 7:22:14 PM PST by The Toll
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To: Irenic

Thank you.

Soros funds revolution...leftist ones...all over.

Unfortunately you have ignorant folks like Revolting cat who just regurgitate what liberal media says. This stupidity is why we end up with loser leadership and loser policies

Soros or Putin? US can avoid Putin...Soros won’t leave us alone


17 posted on 01/23/2014 7:27:01 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: gwjack

I'm not sure if any significance should be placed in the symbolism in this photo ?

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18 posted on 01/23/2014 7:27:11 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Irenic

I remember hearing Soros come right out and say that betting on our enemies in Iraq had cost him and it hadn’t turned out the way he hoped.


19 posted on 01/23/2014 7:31:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: The Toll

John McCain has already appeared last month on behalf of the protestors. McCain gets contributions from George Soros Open Society group

McCain sided w Al Qaeda in Syria. He seems to like the Globalists and the Terrorists. Not sure if one of the EU Ukrainians have eaten a rival on YouTube


20 posted on 01/23/2014 7:33:11 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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