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1 posted on 01/12/2014 9:39:52 PM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

My local Walmarts are always out of stock because the employees buy and resell online instead of putting on the shelves. There is a shortage.


2 posted on 01/12/2014 9:45:36 PM PST by peyton randolph (Proverbs 13:20)
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To: servo1969

I am not buying this line of reasoning. Walmart, Academy etc. are slowly getting more stock and selling them at a reasonable market price. Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply and is probably about 50% more than two years ago relative to price.

This is good as it means supply is getting close to demand. What one must really worry about is when there is NO SUPPLY!

Do not blame Walmart, Academy etc. The blame for elevated prices is fear of government.


3 posted on 01/12/2014 9:54:00 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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Federal allocated 20 million rounds for BSA and other youth organizations.

Federal Premium® Ammunition and CCI® Allocate 20 Million Rounds of .22 LR Ammunition for Youth Shooting Sports Programs

4 posted on 01/12/2014 9:58:25 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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I haven’t even looked, I have plenty.


5 posted on 01/12/2014 10:05:27 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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You see, when your local gun dealer tells you he only got a few boxes of .22, there's a chance he's lying right to your face.

My best friend owns a gunshop. You are wrong.

6 posted on 01/12/2014 10:18:59 PM PST by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/01/gun_show_vendors_discuss_2014.html


7 posted on 01/12/2014 10:23:08 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Less people shooting centerfire for enjoyment because they can’t afford it any longer, so it naturally puts a heavier demand on the rimfire.


8 posted on 01/12/2014 10:25:48 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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I haven’t noticed a shortage of ammo for several months. Certain reloading components remain difficult to find however.


10 posted on 01/12/2014 11:05:54 PM PST by RC one
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There is no difference where the ammo is sold, in stores or on the Internet. If there are 10 million rounds for sale but buyers want only 5 million, what will happen to the other 5 million? You think the gun shop will be sitting on unsold inventory? Unlikely; it takes very deep pockets to execute such an operation. And if the gun shop stops reordering, the supplies pile up, and all other shops get unlimited ammo for sale - which will bring customers to them. The original "hoarder" shop cannot afford that.

What happens in reality is that the sellers are lowering the price, and some buyers decide to buy some more for those lower prices. In the end the natural market forces bring the prices to some sensible level - no matter where the ammo is sold, in stores or on Web sites.

The shortage can be only explained by demand that is higher than production. But I do not understand where would higher demand come from. I haven't bought .22LR in couple of years; it's not a good hunting round, I use .17HMR for that. Limited availability should automatically reduce the demand among those who cannot reach far and wide in search of the ammo. I also do not see people around me who, out of the blue, would get a .22LR firearm and start practicing like mad. The only feasible explanation is that production is reduced, or bought out right off the assembly lines. There are government-level players with deep pockets who can afford such an operation. They can even pay good money for shutting those lines down, and they can order the manufacturers to be silent about that.

Still, it would be weird that .22LR got subjected to such manipulation. It is not a very useful round for anything but training at short distances. If the government wants to disarm the population, it would first try to undermine serious rounds, like .223 and above - and the easiest way to attack those is by restricting availability of primers.

12 posted on 01/12/2014 11:21:14 PM PST by Greysard
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I have a single .22 rifle. It’s from the 1930s and is a manual-load single shot bolt action. It’s the only thing I have that fires .22 rimfire.

Still, I have a few thousand rounds of Aguila SSS Subsonic for it, and can’t ever imagine shooting it all up in my lifetime.

When I saw it was selling for $0.30/round, my wig almost flew off. Who on Earth needs .22 rimfire so much that they’d be willing to pay that price for it?


13 posted on 01/12/2014 11:30:10 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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Instead of theories, you need math.

Prior to the ammo crisis, the U.S. had spare manufacturing capability for an extra 2 Billion rounds of ammo.

Well, what if 100 people in each state were buying a single brick of .22?

That’s 100 people * 1,000 round brick * 50 states = 5 million rounds.

Times 365 days = 1.825 Billion rounds.

Poof! There goes the entire spare manufacturing capability of .22!

It just takes 100 people in each state buying a single brick of .22.

100 people buying a single box of .22, per above, and you’ve got yourself the ammo-equivalent of a bank run!

Math is an amazing thing...


16 posted on 01/13/2014 12:21:38 AM PST by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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I traded 5 rifles last year for motorcycles, got some outstanding deals, I have 12 now, 4 Goldwings, one is a 95 the other an 85, a 95 Yamaha Virago, an 89 Yamaha Venture Royale. They all run.
Would have cost me over $10,000, maybe more if I paid cash, instead I just traded some guns I have not fired in a decade, now I have several calibers of excess ammo.


18 posted on 01/13/2014 1:08:57 AM PST by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors. Asymmetrical Warfare.)
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I’ve been able to buy all the .22LR I want at Dicks Sporting Goods for the past 6 weeks or so, but I get CCI Stingers online from Midway.


20 posted on 01/13/2014 1:57:25 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: servo1969

I buy it online all the time with no problem.


22 posted on 01/13/2014 2:17:21 AM PST by maddog55
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It is all falling in to the bottom of lakes with all the guns out there. There are lot of unseaworthy gun owners out there


23 posted on 01/13/2014 2:27:11 AM PST by Organic Panic
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Delusional.

This is happening everywhere?

Is there not a single honest man in the land.

Oh, right...they are ALL conspiring against YOU.

You might want to look up paranoia.


26 posted on 01/13/2014 3:12:35 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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My last order for .22 w/ Cabela’s was made in Dec 2012, and hasn’t been filled yet. I get a new backorder notice each month.


30 posted on 01/13/2014 3:41:08 AM PST by RavenATB
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The manufacturers are cranking out .22 as fast they can. 24/7. Wide open. Some are still backlogged for over a year. Where is it going? Why isn't it reaching the smaller stores like it used to?

The reason .22LR is not on the shelves yet is not because of a vast conspiracy. Rather, it is the ONLY type of ammo which cannot be reloaded at a time when more people are shooting, and more are talking about .22LR as being the next currency.

That's it in a nutshell.

31 posted on 01/13/2014 4:07:47 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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I have personally seen why .22lr is always out at the local 24-hr WalMart in my area -- there is a pack of older guys (retired) who are lined up at the sporting goods counter at 5 AM the morning the shipment arrives, and everything is gone within 30 minutes. This has been the case for almost a year now.

It's possible that they're using it all up on a weekly basis but frankly, I doubt it.

32 posted on 01/13/2014 4:50:04 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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People don’t seem to appreciate a key tipping point in the supply and demand curve. So long as a stable product is available on demand, demand itself tends to remain low relatively. The moment the demand for that product exceeds supply, demand tends to spike. This is most dramatically seen in gas shortages: nobody worries about getting gas, then just fills up whenever they need it, but the moment there’s any hint of gas being not available, everybody races out and buys up as much as they can topping off whatever containers they can. Likewise, ammunition supply behaves the same. People do not buy all that much ammo a time usually, but when there’s any hint of a shortage everybody wants to buy up as much ammunition as they can - so the demand triples quadruples or more overnight. The supply-chain empties out and suddenly we have a real shortage just because there was a very slight shortage briefly. Of course done this inspires lots of conspiracy theorists to claim all kinds of absurd schemes going on by evildoers in the background.


35 posted on 01/13/2014 6:38:29 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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