[Turbo Pig]

Your mistake is that you think we can avoid it.

I never said I thought it could be avoided, in fact had you asked, I'd of replied I think it nigh on inevitable at this point. I have said it before, and I'll say it again, though.

Nothing will come of all this bluster of revolution/civil war until the soccer moms and NASCAR dad across the country are looking into the faces of their starving kids and wondering how they are going to feed them.

The above is true, whether we like it or not. Our fore fathers revolted against the largest empire on earth, for much less than what even the staunchest modern day patriot endures on a daily basis. If it weren't true, you, I, or someone else would have taken bricks and chucked them through the windows of the closest government offices, or political party headquarters long ago.

[jboot]

I agree, in the sense that the conflict will not occur until Joe Sixpack awakens and realizes that his house is on fire. What will it take? Losing control over his medical care and thus his health and life obviously isn't enough. What will it take?

Finding a padlock on his church and his pastor in jail?
His 401K confiscated in return for a worthless IOU?
His child being forced to perform a homosexual act as part of a public school "diversity" exercise?
Having to pay for his milk and bread with a wheelbarrow of worthless inflated dollars?
Losing his job because he is unwilling to take a loyalty oath to the Party?

Or will he snooze on to electronic dreams and modern conveniences until the death squad kicks down his door and hauls him off into the night and fog?