Posted on 08/14/2013 8:44:02 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Post-constitutional? Yes but I'd still vote for Ted Cruz.
Intellectual consistency will not slow down the 'Rats. The are perfectly capable of the doublethink necessary to ignore whether Obama is eligible at the same time they are screaming that Cruz isn't. But they are smart enough to wait until Cruz is either nominated or at least when it is too late to effectively replace him if it looks like he is going to be nominated before trying to destroy him.
We must be prepared for all of their arguments. The 'Rats are very good at wargaming their plans, looking at how we will likely respond and then planing their second and third moves.
“...The ‘Rats are very good at wargaming their plans, looking at how we will likely respond and then planing their second and third moves....”
That’s because they understand that politics IS war by other means.
Our side has yet to wake up to that reality.
This is manufactured bullsh*t designed to do exactly what it’s doing - break up our already fragile coalition.
If Cruz is ineligible, then they need to prove it. It’s that simple. He should be able to produce whatever documentation is necessary to prove that he is. Like our system requires.
Our current Hired Help in the WH didn’t do so, satisfactorily, and is still on our payroll, f***ing us over daily.
What matters right now is remembering who the real enemy is. To my mind, it ISN’T Rand Paul or Ted Cruz.
Any politician engaged in a**kissing the msm can kiss mine.
Sorry to be blunt but catering to the MSM and elite political class is the perfect way to continue on the path to tyranny.
Fewer and fewer people even watch the MSM or believe it.
What we need is courageous leaders - remember the word “statesman”? - who have the courage of their convictions. Who care more about principles - the Constitution - than their own personal ambitions.
More professional politicians with their fingers in the wind are precisely what we DON’T need. Up to here with them already, and they either lose or are worthless bags of crap if they win, since they are too afraid to be real opposition.
I said that because so many Rs or people on FR are saying they support Cruz no matter what, that he is eligible, or his non-eligibility doesn’t matter.
So they are tacitly supporting the mozzie fag commie illegal usurper and that sickens me.
Along with Rand.
And you won’t find any.
Your obsession with hating “birthers” is a sickness.
It looks like Rand will oppose Rep. Steve Stockman’s look into Obama’s birth certificate investigation.
If that’s what he’s up to, HE IS DEAD TO ME!
What a cowardly sack of crap.
Wow, we love shooting ourselves don’t we? He wont question it because its not an issue. The Senate will give him courtesy approval if he runs like McCain had because the naturalized vs natural born controversy is vague. Seriously, he’s our best guy right now. Props to Rand.
Maybe you should go back to 08 and look at some of the threads before flapping your gums boy.
I was on the issue long before most of these pied pipers even joined FR and started leading you morons to your destruction Maybe you should man up and do as I suggest and take a look at who leads you.
To be a “natural born citizen” of the United States, requires that
a)*both* parents be loyal to the United States, and *that* status can be: *both* demonstrated and proved; and
b) the child must be born on U.S. soil.
“Natural born” does not mean “born naturally.”
“Natural born” does mean, to be without mystery and without question, in regard to the parents loyalty and location of birth of the child.
A parent being a U.S. citizen, fulfills the demonstration of being loyal, but a challenge can be made to the proof of that loyalty. Though that proof is not automatically assumed, it often is, if the parent is a U.S. citizen.
“U.S. soil” includes U.S. territories, structures of state, and vehicles of state. A “structure of state” would be a U.S. Consul or even a U.S. Mission (if the Consul or Ambassador is present). A “vehicle of state” would be *the car* or *the aircraft* of the U.S. Ambassador *with the Ambassador present.* A “vehicle of state” is also any *active* U.S. military ship on land, at sea, or in the air.
In the case of Barack H. Obama, he is not eligible, because his father had little-to-none (if any) demonstrated loyalty to the U.S.A., plus in fact, you will find that his father had *proven* loyalties elsewhere, in addition to not being a U.S. citizen.
In the case of Ted Cruz, he was not born on U.S. soil.
Back to Obama ...
From what I’ve read, there seems to be no proof of Obama being born in Hawaii. Instead, there is only some documentation, such as a “certificate of live birth” which verifies ONLY: that *other records (not revealed to the public)* exist, such that Obama was examined as a relatively new baby (within a week of actual birth) at a hospital in Hawaii.
As a legality, you may show that Obama was a U.S. citizen by the end of the first week after his birth, and stretch that to make him “a native American,” on paper, but, again, his father’s status prevented Obama from being a “natural born citizen.”
IMHO
Yeah, let’s set the precedent that any usurper can run and no one will question his bonafides.
By not questioning Zero, the precedent will be set that any freaking criminal using fake papers and even ostensibly a non-NBC can run for president. So Putin or Kim Jung Il or whatever his name is could come over here, donate sperm to some female, leave, and the child could be a US president. Also by not questioning the forged documents, that sets the precedent that any candidate can forge documents and lie about his past and his identity and no one will question this.
Maybe people think these are great precedents, but I don’t.
“Leading”? ROTFLOL!
Just because Cold Case Posse Supporter is new doesn’t mean he’s automatically suspect. And most of the other posters on this topic (who you apparently scorn) have been here for years. And I started reading the eligibility threads in summer 2008 when the research started.
Your statement:
I was on the issue long before most of these pied pipers even joined FR and started leading you morons to your destruction
Needs details. Like names. Most of the posters on this topic are seasoned members here.
So now, you want to take out the best conservative in the Senate, and prevent him from being president because of your theories (which is all they are now).
Good grief, get a life and stop being the conservative purist circular firing squad!
It's done, it's over, he's going to be president for 8 years, the precedent is set, so why are you trying to take out one of our finest candidates?
And you all think the GOPE is stupid, good grief.............
Regarding the title of this thread, Rand is therefore a hypocrite constitutionalist. Corrections welcome.
Is that a serious post?
Lake, some of us still believe in the words printed on that old parchment that was written in 1789. You’re asking us to step on it, just like the left and the GOP-e have.
That road leads straight to hell. I won’t walk it, and I very much hope that Ted Cruz won’t either.
That he, Paul, is not even open for discussion on the matter shows a kind of political posturing that does not bode well for the USA. He seems to have a position that ‘birthers’ are scum. Besides the article says that Cruz’s father was only born in Cuba. Cruz’s father was still a citizen of Cuba when son Cruz was born. This is a very important factor in eligibility. I would hope Paul reads or get some discussion of both sides of the ‘birther’ issue from FR before I make up my mind about his politics.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.