Posted on 08/07/2013 6:29:11 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
That’s fine. I told you how I would make that determination if I were President.
If you’re ever in that position, please don’t feel obligated to do things my way.
Because items are verified to "match", which is meaningless. (it is incomplete, items such as amendments are concealed). It is lying by omission, a dodge.
And why do you think the documents are marked “late” or “amended” when none of the images we’ve seen depict them that way?
Have you missed the innumerable discussions regarding image anomalies?
Neither you nor I have seen a genuine COLB or a genuine long-form. Onaka has. And he refused to verify the truth of any birth fact claimed on the birth record they have in their office. The only lawful reason for him to refuse to verify the facts claimed on a birth record is if that record is not legally valid/prima facia evidence. The record being marked as LATE and/or ALTERED explains why Onaka would not verify any birth facts, and it explains why Obama’s handlers had to forge both the COLB and long-form even though HI has a record claiming the same facts as the forgeries claim. The problem is those LATE and/or ALTERED stamps that had to be gotten rid of. This also explains why Obama would never present his actual documents to any administrative or judicial official or body but would only present it to people who have been caught lying to cover for him.
Control the questions, control the answers.
“Because items are verified to “match”, which is meaningless.”
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Huh?
What I read is:
“...I verify the following: 1. A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.”
How can you call that meaningless? His job is to report the facts as stated in Hawaii’s official records, and that’s exactly what he’s done.
He’s obviously guilty of omitting whatever it is you would like him to say, but he is acting exactly as Hawaiian law prescribes.
“[Onaka] refused to verify the truth of any birth fact claimed on the birth record they have in their office.”
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I understand, BZ. Now, please, will you think about my question? How can he verify the truth of a birth fact if he wasn’t there himself?
The obvious answer is, “through the official state records,” but that answer doesn’t seem to sit well with you.
So what do you think? Where should he be getting his information from?
It’s probably threats that have kept Onaka from spilling the beans altogether. But there is a reason the AG’s office called in the cops to keep Zullo away from Onaka. There’s a lot I can’t say about what I know regarding some of the individual players at that office and what they’ve done and dealt with. That long-form was supposed to be fine, was supposed to solve everything. That’s why Fuddy was watching it being copied. But they got the truth out in spite of Fuddy’s lawless eagle eyes. They forced Obama’s handlers to have to forge a long-form. There is one person legally authorized to do what had to be done to prevent a certified copy of a fraudulently-obtained, fake BC to be passed off as if everything was fine. One person who is authorized to defy the fraud of his own HDOH Director.
Someday the truth will come out. The spying is to prevent people like me or Zullo from ever having a fair shot at reasoning with or convincing the HDOH players to come forward, but someday I hope I will be able to talk to a couple of them and tell them I know what they did and why, and wish I could have done more to help the world follow the bread crumbs they dropped as the witch led them into her cottage.
Verifying incomplete information - big deal.
Let me break it down for ya:
I have a paper with 5 items
You have a paper with 3 items
Your items match 3 of my 5 items.
What about my other 2 items?
What kind of items? Amendments.
A certified “complete and true copy” would show “late” or “amended” on it. No such certified “complete and true copy” has ever been presented. Instead an image of unknown provenance is used as the basis for items to be verified. Control the questions you control the answers. The internet image is the mechanism to control the questions.
You’d be better served to find a friend who can help you makes sense.
BZ, I’m sorry. I’ll leave you alone from now on.
The letter of verifications don’t actually make any legal claims except that they have a BC for Obama which makes certain claims. That’s not perjurious; they do have a non-valid BC that makes those claims.
But just in case somebody might argue that Onaka DID actually verify the truth of some birth facts, Onaka made sure that initials were placed next to his signature stamp (thus evading personal responsibility for the signature) and that his own raised seal to authenticate his signature was not used.
Even Bennett knows Onaka did not verify the birth facts. He told a Freeper that the birth date was not on the letter of verification because Onaka had made a mistake. IOW, he understood that Onaka couldn’t verify a fact without actually stating that he was verifying the fact. And Onaka never stated that ANY fact was true, and only even MENTIONED Honolulu, out of all 6 birth facts Bennett submitted to be verified as true. So Bennett assumed that Onaka messed up 6 facts but got one right on that verification. He assumed that Onaka got a 17% on that simple open-book exam, and that such a grade was good enough for Bennett...
Why wouldn’t Obama show his long-form to Lt Col Lakin’s superiors so they could put his conscience at rest?
A birth certificate IS on file “indicating” (in legal language that means “claims”) that Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. It is a non-valid, legally worthless piece of paper that makes claims that HI statute requires Onaka to regard as nothing more than a rumor. And Onaka doesn’t treat it as if it is anything but a rumor. He verifies one thing: they have a birth certificate that makes certain claims.
If the BC they have was legally valid he would verify that Barack Hussein Obama, II, male, WAS born on Aug 4, 1961, in Honolulu on the island of Oahu, to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama.
All he verifies is that they have a BC for Obama. Exactly what the law would require him to do if the BC in question is non-valid. Exactly FORBIDDEN for him to do if that BC is actually valid. Onaka gave us our legal answer. Why won’t you believe him?
I should count how many times on this thread alone I have explained this, only to have you guys totally blow it off even though it is in the HI statutes. Onaka’s verification has nothing to do with his own personal knowledge of a birth event. What Onaka has to report is the legal status of the claims. Is the BC considered probative according to the standards of the State of Hawaii? If so, the claims are legally presumed to be true, based on the trustworthiness of the record - not based on anything Onaka personally knows or doesn’t know.
What’s actually on the record is irrelevant if the record itself has no legal/evidentiary value. That’s why the MDEC request was a total waste of time and proves nothing. The Bennett request asked the direct question: Can you verify that HI presumes Barack Hussein Obama to have been born a male on Aug 4, 1961, in Honolulu on the island of Oahu, to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama? Onaka’s response was basically “no comment”. Given that he has to say so if Hawaii DOES presume those facts to be true, Onaka’s response effectively confirms that they DON’T presume those claims to be true.
If you don’t understand that by now it is because you are either too dense to “get it” or too crooked to admit that you get it.
He DID get his information from the official state records. He saw that it was a non-valid record and he is legally forbidden to presume that the claims are true. There is no way he could certify that the event happened that way, when the State of Hawaii says that only a judicial or administrative official or body is qualified to make that determination. His only lawful option - based on what is on the record they have in their office and the laws that give the standards for prima facia evidence - was to verify that they have a BC for Obama but to evade saying whether any of the claims on it are true. That’s exactly what he did.
He also couldn’t say that the White House image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”, even though the claims made on the White House image “match” the claims made on their record, because the White House image left off the LATE and/or ALTERED stamps, which makes the BC appear to be valid when it is not. The most critical alteration possible.
That was such a sad, sad case, wasn't it? Apparently on the basis of what was later described as bad legal advice, an obviously bright guy with much to offer as an osteopath wrecked his life chasing some imagined confusion about where someone else was born and the identity of someone else's parents. He just couldn't find any certain answers to his questions. What could he do? What choice did he have but to get himself thrown out of the military and sent to prison?
He was another victim of all this craziness. I suppose if it hadn't been this, he probably would have found some other way to screw up his life.
But, it was sad. It still is sad.
“In order for Dr. Onaka’s statement to be valid, the facts don’t have to be TRUE. They just have to match what the WH CoLB asserts. Dr Onaka knows what facts the DoH has on file. He obviously doesn’t know for sure that those facts are actually true. “
This would appear to a massive point mutual agreement.
Legal fakery happens every day - ask any adopted person. One identity disappears and poof - a new one comes to (legal) life. All with new documents and (of course) legally sealed documents.
The only thing the bureaucrat can do and should do is validate the official legal records. DOH has played this game well. Giving answers that say - we looked and there are records. Of course the press went wild claiming that this verified the narrative story. When - as you point out so well above - it does not. But it provides periodic smoke screens.
One person who did not have this convenient route at his disposal at a critical juncture was HDP Chairman and now Hawaii Senator - Brian Schatz. Schatz was supposed to sign a document stating - in writing - that Obama was natural born Citizen. He did not do it. He removed the wording - invalidating the document - then signed the document.
He did not want to lose his chair when the music stops. Fuddy has probably lost her chair as the music winds down.
You answer me: Why wouldn’t Obama show his birth certificate to Lakin’s superiors so they could ease his conscience? What did Obama possibly stand to lose by doing that?
Especially for those who actually believe that Obama’s long-form and COLB images are genuine, this should be the thing that reveals what a slimy turd Obama is. If he really had these totally innocent documents that he was willing to show Joe Miller and Jess Hennig, then why the heck would he withhold that from a guy who only wanted to know whether he was helping rather than hurting the country and the oath he took?
What is truly tragic is anybody who would defend the sick bastard who would ask these guys to take a bullet for him but would only ridicule and piss on the questions that came out of the honor and the oath of those men.
But then, what else would we expect from the guy who heads a regime that paid an imam to curse the bodies of a couple dozen SEALs who knew they were being set up for an ambush but went anyway just because of their own honor? And who left Ty Woods to die defending our people unaided because Obama needed his beauty sleep so he could campaign in Las Vegas the next day.
I’ve known dog sh!t that had more honor than this weasel occupying our White House. The sign of sheer evil is that it shows its true colors when it comes face to face with honor. Our military people share the honor of being like Christ, who said that there is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for a friend. Jesus laid down His life even for His enemies who spat on Him and mocked his bodily functions as He hung naked to be ridiculed and made an example. Our honorable soldiers are the closest picture I can see of the kind of honor and love that Christ had. And true to form, the demons piss on them and make a mockery out of the very honor that compels them to give their lives for the totally undeserving.
Obama should be named Wormwood, except he doesn’t smell good enough to deserve even that name.
If you believe he really has documents he could have shown, that is....
You are an ugly person for this post.
You are much calmer than I can ever be on this. I am biting out my tongue like crazy, to not say what I’d like to say.
I keep having to tell myself that justice will not delay forever; there will be a Day when the innocent are exonerated and the guilty will gnash their teeth. Not here, not now, but Someday.
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