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To: Nero Germanicus
The highest form of evidence (primary evidence) of proof of citizenship and identity is a valid US Passport. A Birth Certificate (Certificate of Live Birth) is a secondary form of proof.

You are indeed a wonder of obfuscation. That it requires a birth certificate to GET a US Passport is obviously of no consequence to your argument.

Are you simply blind to the inconsistencies of your own arguments? Or are you only too well aware of them?

202 posted on 07/08/2013 7:25:32 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“How to apply for a passport without a birth certificate:”
http://traveltips.usatoday.com/apply-passport-birth-certificate-13275.html

It appears that you have forgotten that the state of Hawaii has issued three “Certified Letters of Verification in Lieu of Certified Copy” for Barack Obama’s original Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth: one was issued for the state of Arizona; one for Kansas and one for the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Mississippi.

Under Article IV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, the public records of a state are accepted in every other state and by the federal government.
Cities, counties and states issue birth certificates. Those political entities are much less capable of confirming personal information than the federal government. Birth certificates are therefore less reliable than passports for establishing citizenship and identity. That is why under federal law, a U.S. Passport is Primary Evidence and a birth certificate is Secondary Evidence of citizenship and identity.

An Article 2, Section 1 example is Dwight David Eisenhower who was a home birth in Denison, Texas and he was never issued any official proof of birth. When he was in his sixties, Ike got a birth certificate issued on the words of his brother David and his wife Mamie as to the facts of his birth.
I think we can all agree that Eisenhower did a fair bit of foreign travel prior to being issued a birth certificate!

Can you envision Barack Obama being issued a birth certificate today on the affirmations of Maya Soetoro-Ng and Michelle Obama?


207 posted on 07/08/2013 10:54:42 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp

In the link in post #207, they mention that one of the two forms to fill out, the DS 10, needs to be filled out by someone who was alive at the time of the applicants birth, and had a close relationship to the applicant.

(Dwight Eisenhower’s relatives attested to his birth here; Dwight had need of his b.c. when he was in his sixties.

He didn’t get baptized till 1953 (!) )


210 posted on 07/08/2013 2:04:40 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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