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To: DiogenesLamp

“How to apply for a passport without a birth certificate:”
http://traveltips.usatoday.com/apply-passport-birth-certificate-13275.html

It appears that you have forgotten that the state of Hawaii has issued three “Certified Letters of Verification in Lieu of Certified Copy” for Barack Obama’s original Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth: one was issued for the state of Arizona; one for Kansas and one for the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Mississippi.

Under Article IV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, the public records of a state are accepted in every other state and by the federal government.
Cities, counties and states issue birth certificates. Those political entities are much less capable of confirming personal information than the federal government. Birth certificates are therefore less reliable than passports for establishing citizenship and identity. That is why under federal law, a U.S. Passport is Primary Evidence and a birth certificate is Secondary Evidence of citizenship and identity.

An Article 2, Section 1 example is Dwight David Eisenhower who was a home birth in Denison, Texas and he was never issued any official proof of birth. When he was in his sixties, Ike got a birth certificate issued on the words of his brother David and his wife Mamie as to the facts of his birth.
I think we can all agree that Eisenhower did a fair bit of foreign travel prior to being issued a birth certificate!

Can you envision Barack Obama being issued a birth certificate today on the affirmations of Maya Soetoro-Ng and Michelle Obama?


207 posted on 07/08/2013 10:54:42 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus; Jeff Winston; DiogenesLamp

More on that Eisenhower BC.

http://www.whale.to/b/eisenhower1.html

“Dwight D. Eisenhower could have never imagined that information he gave an INS agent at Ellis Island would come back to posthumously haunt him 85 years later. As detailed in an Ellis Island passenger manifest, on September 27, 1924, returning from Cristobal, Canal Zone on the USS Cristobal, Maj. Dwight D. Eisenhower made two declarations to Customs Officials: 1) that he was “34 years of age,” and 2) that he was born in “Tyler, Texas.””

“Based on his published birthdate, Eisenhower was only 33 years of age on Sept. 27, 1924. This may seem insignificant, though no one reaches the age of 34 until one’s 34th birthday. It has always been that way. So why did he misstate his age, or was he just confused?”


208 posted on 07/08/2013 12:26:18 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: Nero Germanicus
“How to apply for a passport without a birth certificate:”

Oh yes, i'm aware that it can be done, one can find the information on that same link I sent you.

Not. The. Point.

That it CAN be done does not speak to the fact that it is not normal for it to be done that way. You are attempting to use the exception to obfuscate the rule.

Again, here you are seeking to muddy, not to clarify.

212 posted on 07/08/2013 2:11:47 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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