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Was the Drone/UAV Hovering in the JFK Landing Approach Kill Zone (LAKZ) a Failed Terrorist Attack?
Runway Kill Zone (blog) ^ | May 2, 2013 | 2branta

Posted on 05/02/2013 8:54:46 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

Just as terrorists can use GPS guided drone/UAVs to target jet turbines in the Runway Kill Zone (RKZ) as explained in earlier posts to this blog (here), the quad-copter drone that was hovering in the JFK landing approach of an Alitalia jetliner on March 5, 2013 may have been the first terrorist attack in a Landing Approach Kill Zone (LAKZ). News coverage of the story can be seen here.

Using Jeppesen maps, a terrorist can determine the altitude that jetliners are supposed to fly at for each descending leg of a landing approach to a specific runway. At JFK on March 5, 2013, the Alitalia jet was approaching runway 31R. Going on the internet a recent Jeppesen map for that runway shows a leg approximately a mile in length right before Long Beach, NY (where the multi-copter drone was hovering) during which the airliner is supposed to hold steady at 1,900 feet.

Using newly available First-Person View (FPV) “video piloting” (here) the multi-copter’s remote pilot could hover the drone at 1,900 feet at the GPS coordinates of the Jeppesen landing approach to JFK runway 31R and visually guide the drone to target one of the jet turbine intakes on the Alitalia airliner.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: drone; jfk; runwaykillzone; wot
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To: Revolutionary

“The odds of bringing down the aircraft are almost zero because they can land just fine on the other engine. But the fear factor would be great.”

True. But two terrorists operating two drones could knock out both engines. This JKF drone event on March 5, 2013 could have been a proof of concept.

The cost of drones is now so low and drone swarming software is now available so that a swarm of drones could be maneuvered into the GPS coordinates for ZULAB in the Jeppesen. This would reverse-engineer a bird-strike crash such as Captain Sully experienced.

Here is a video of coordinated drone swarming recently achieved which terrorists could soon be bringing to the Runway Kill Zone (RKZ) or the Landing Approach Kill Zone (LAKZ) near you!:

Video: Swarm of Tiny Quadcopters Do a Delicate Dance

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-01/video-grasp-labs-new-swarming-nano-quadcopters-do-delicate-dance

“Towards a Swarm of Nano Quadrotors”

Alex Kushleyev, Daniel Mellinger, Vijay Kumar, GRASP Lab, University of Pennsylvania

“Perhaps it’s somewhat hyperbolic, but seeing the ease and grace with which these things move in and out of formation, negotiating obstacles and ducking seamlessly between each other as they execute a figure eight really tickles the fanciful, sci-fi-friendly part of the brain. GRASP Lab creations have already shown us how quadcopters can work together to manipulate objects and even build structures together. The idea of looping more than a dozen of these things together—as we see in the video below—and putting them to work on complex projects makes this kind of precision performance feel very much like the future.”


21 posted on 05/02/2013 10:20:30 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: McGruff

Think of PacMan at 10,000x normal speed. Doesn’r sound easy; you’re right.


22 posted on 05/02/2013 10:28:23 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the Muskets of the 21st Century. Free men need not ask permission.)
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To: cardinal4

“As a former dispatcher, I hav always felt that approach plates should be controlled..”

These Jeppesen runway approach maps seem to be widely disseminated to all pilots these days in digital files that terrorists could likely have no problem obtaining.

That being the case it would seem to be most practical to defend runway and approach “kill zones” and alert officials and the public to observe and report drone activities near airports as well as develop drone counter-measures for military bases and VIPs like the POTUS.


23 posted on 05/02/2013 10:34:26 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Old Sarge

“Thought provoking links. Very instructive. Thanks for posting!”

Thanks, Old Sarge!

The author of the blog, “2branta” (gee, I wonder who that could be?) took that name to memorialize crash of AWACS Yukla 27 which was brought down by as few as two Canada Geese, aka Branta Canadensis, thus 2branta.

Canada Goose (Branta canadensis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Geese

“This species is 76–110 centimetres (30–43 in) long with a 127–180 centimetres (50–71 in) wingspan. The male usually weighs 3.2–6.5 kilograms (7.1–14 lb), and can be very aggressive in defending territory. The female looks virtually identical but is slightly lighter at 2.5–5.5 kilograms (5.5–12 lb), generally 10% smaller than its male counterpart, and has a different honk.”

Captain Sully hit several of these and suffered a total loss of thrust. A cartoonist pictured terrorists directing trained Canada Geese to bring Sully down, so the concept of reverse-engineering bird-strike aircraft destruction is out there for any alert terrorists to pursue.

Terrorists are already known to be experimenting with drones and thinking about how to kill large numbers of Americans with them:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/armed-drones_n_2527242.html

WASHINGTON — As the technology for arming drones spreads around the world, terrorists could use the unmanned, missile-firing aircraft to attack and kill the president and other U.S. leaders, the former chief of U.S. intelligence said Tuesday.

Retired Adm. Dennis Blair, who served as President Obama’s first director of national intelligence, told reporters he was concerned that the proliferation of armed drones — a potential outgrowth of the U.S. reliance on drones to attack and kill terrorists — could well backfire.

“I do fear that if al Qaeda can develop a drone, its first thought will be to use it to kill our president, and senior officials and senior officers,” Blair said during a conference call with reporters. “It is possible without a great deal of intelligence to do something with a drone you cannot do with a high-powered rifle or driving a car full of explosives and other ways terrorists now use to try killing senior officials,” he said.

The U.S. development and growing use of armed drones has not “opened a huge Pandora’s box which will make us wish we had never invented the drone,” Blair said. But he said if drones are acquired by terrorist groups, it would force the U.S. to take defensive measures. Yet, the U.S. already has extensive surveillance of its airspace and sophisticated weapons designed against a variety of airborne threats.


24 posted on 05/02/2013 10:55:04 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
Dumb question...
Why aren't all the possible frequencies these minidrones can operate on determined, and 2-second bursts of "control" commands transmitted at intervals to freak out the drones? The operator, wherever he may be would go nuts trying to apply corrections.
Or scramble the video frequency the drone camera operates on.

Brighter minds than mine, etc....

Posit two scenarios. The bad guys are using aviation frequencies and their locations can be determined.
They use hobby frequencies and whatever may be affected would be momentary and inconsequential to legitimate users. Radio control models will just be unable to operate within x miles of airports, and surveillance cameras can be set up near all the likely places the bad guy would pick to do the deed.

25 posted on 05/02/2013 11:04:43 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: American in Israel

“These are coming at you at 400+ miles an hour, you have 1.5 seconds to aim, your hovering drone moves 10 foot per second.”

No problem.

Approaching runway 31R a mile out from Jeppesen point ZULAB at 1,900 feet for which I have GPS guided coordinates and onboard autopilot navigation on my drone, the C-17 will be maintaining a contant 315 degree ILS bearing at a constant 1,900 foot altitude heading straight at my drone that will be pre-positioned directly in front of it give or take a few meters.

Multi-drone autonomous navigation is so sophisticated now that the drone can autocorrect for wind-drift! Note that a huge jet turbine, some in excess of 3 meters in diameter, is not only a relatively large target, but a huge suckion machine!

Here is a video of a GPS controlled copter proceeding to a three-dimensional waypoint and holding despite wind. The latest remotely piloted systems allow for waypoint guidance with remote pilot override:

“Piccolo Autopilot - UAV Helicopter VTOL Demonstration”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3bsME6wORU


26 posted on 05/02/2013 11:05:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: publius911

“Why aren’t all the possible frequencies these minidrones can operate on determined, and 2-second bursts of ‘control’ commands transmitted at intervals to freak out the drones?”

Drone countermeasures, especially against hobby-type RC drone aircraft are probably employed near aircraft used by VIPS and the military. There is no sign that these types of protection are in use at civilian airports, which are a big soft target for terrorists.


27 posted on 05/02/2013 11:15:17 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

You have a facination with technology that does not translate well in the real world. Note in the picture I gave you, ALL the planes are on the flight plane. Note that the flight plane is not 6 inches wide but about a half a mile wide or more.

Watch planes coming into or out of an airport, do they line up like little ducks?

Thats ok, enjoy the technological fantasy, it is how you invent things that do work. A stage or two beyond where you are at is called invention or genius.


28 posted on 05/02/2013 11:19:30 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: publius911
"Radio control models will just be unable to operate within x miles of airports, and surveillance cameras can be set up near all the likely places the bad guy would pick to do the deed."

The latest drones use GPS-guided autonomous navigation which uses NO radio control. All GPS units in cars would be disabled near airports if GPS were jammed.

Here is a basic description of new inexpensive navigation available to you and to terrorists now which could be used to "mine" the runway kill zone or landing approach kill zone:

http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/ardupilot-mega-home-page

"Just add the ArduPilot Mega autopilot to any RC aircraft and it becomes a fully-programmable flying robot with a powerful ground station and Mission Planner. Features include: ■Return to Launch with a flick of your RC toggle switch or a mouse click in the graphical Ground Station ■Unlimited 3D GPS waypoints ■Built-in camera control ■Fully-scriptable missions ■One-click software load, and easy point-and-click configuration in the powerful Mission Planner. NO programming required! ■Replay recorded missions and analyze all the data with a graphing interface ■Supports two-way telemetry with Xbee wireless modules. ■Point-and-click waypoint entry or real-time mission commands while the UAV is in the air ■Fly with a joystick or gamepad via your PC--no need for RC control! ■Built-in failsafe will bring your aircraft home in the case of radio loss"

29 posted on 05/02/2013 11:21:42 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

CBDR

Constant Bearing Decreasing Range


30 posted on 05/02/2013 11:25:16 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet (Uranus)
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To: American in Israel

“Watch planes coming into or out of an airport, do they line up like little ducks?”

When they are in a landing approach following ILS, yes they do...usually with one mile separation, IIRC!

Taking off, not at all, but each airframe passes through a very predictable runway kill zone on take-off.


31 posted on 05/02/2013 11:25:59 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

It appears that Harry Potter fans have become interested in remote control aircraft and doomsday tales. So far, birds are more likely to be dangerous FOD than slow, short range, inaccurate toys easily affected by winds, etc.


32 posted on 05/02/2013 11:27:34 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: ICCtheWay
Ducks and Geese get sucked into jet engine intakes all the time when they get into the flight path of a jet airliner ... so there is no reason that a small drone positioned into the path of such an aircraft would not also be sucked into the engines ... or hit a control surface on a wing or hit the windshield ... regardless it is quite feasible.

And we're currently only talking about inert hobby drones.

Consider a drone carrying few pounds of nitroglycerin or acetone peroxide hitting a wing fuel tank or the cockpit.

33 posted on 05/02/2013 11:27:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: wxgesr

“CBDR

Constant Bearing Decreasing Range”

There you go. This is what my Navy dad was trying to explain...as opposed to “increasing range” which would avoid collision, of course.

In our scenario with a jet aircraft approaching Jeppesen point ZULAB at 160 knots with the remotely piloted drone held nearly stationary on autopilot, “decreasing range” is a given!


34 posted on 05/02/2013 11:30:51 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Most aircraft hit in engines by such FOD would land anyway.


35 posted on 05/02/2013 11:33:03 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: cardinal4
"My point was maybe a way of making them accessible to licensed pilots and trainees, something that might keep it away from those who would use it against us.."

Pursuant to international treaties, navigation data such as approach procedures are generally available for all. Just FYI, approach procedures are published as textual procedures first and the graphical part produced later. They're available from numerous vendors in all sorts of forms. Same with a variety of aeronautical navigation charts.

After 9/11/01 they removed the directional sign from Rte 3 in Nashua, NH that showed the exit for ZBW, the Boston ARTCC. Good example of security theater that has no practical effect.

Like trying to keep teenage boys from searching the net for porn. Not practical.

No longer being a teenage boy, here's what 30 seconds of searching for nav/porn found for Moscow.

36 posted on 05/02/2013 11:38:02 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites

Yeah, I was able to find the river approach to KSTL with time and DME markers as well. I stand corrected.
Incidentally, Domodedovo, one of four Moscow area airports, was targeted by Chechen terrorists. It was two women who had, uh, secreted their explosives..


37 posted on 05/02/2013 11:45:13 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: PapaBear3625
"Consider a drone carrying few pounds of nitroglycerin or acetone peroxide hitting a wing fuel tank or the cockpit."

It would be like trying to throw a bomb by hand to hit a bullet in flight--not very likely. Threads like this one make me glad that evil people aren't often very dedicated to lifetimes of study or hard work in any single pursuit of skills or invention.


38 posted on 05/02/2013 11:45:16 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

“Most aircraft hit in engines by such FOD would land anyway.”

Yes, but loss of an engine could prevent the aircraft from “going around” or responding to numerous situations optimally requiring two engines. Terrorists deploying multiple drones or even coordinated swarm could cause pandemonium, which is, of course, what they seek.


39 posted on 05/02/2013 11:52:24 AM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: billorites
After 9/11/01 they removed the directional sign from Rte 3 in Nashua, NH that showed the exit for ZBW, the Boston ARTCC. Good example of security theater that has no practical effect.

https://www.google.com/search?q=zbw+site:wikimapia.org

40 posted on 05/02/2013 12:04:06 PM PDT by cynwoody
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