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To: Forty-Niner
The fallacy in your post is that you equate “citizen” with “natural born citizens.”

No, I don't equate the two.

There are two kinds of citizens: Those born citizens, and those who have been naturalized.

But it is clear from all early authorities that those BORN citizens IN AMERICA were very clearly considered to be natural born citizens.

I was simply responding to the false statement that the 1779 Virginia citizenship law required people born in Virginia to have citizen parents in order to be citizens.

There WAS one requirement for that law, though. It only extended Virginia citizenship to WHITE persons born in Virginia.

If what you are trying to prove is correct....that all citizens are Natural born citizens, then what would be the purpose of the Article II requirement for natural born citizenship.....simple citizenship would do.

Once again, not all citizens are natural born citizens. However, those who are BORN citizens, are.

The purpose of the Article II requirement is to prevent people who were not born United States citizens, but were instead naturalized into citizenship, from being elected President.

249 posted on 04/03/2013 12:14:31 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston; SatinDoll

“The purpose of the Article II requirement is to prevent people who were not born United States citizens, but were instead naturalized into citizenship, from being elected President.”

If that were the case then a simple “born citizen” would have done the job in the writing of Article II. Your logic again fails to impress along with your off topic citations.......Look up the word nomenclature as used in Minor.....

Satin Doll was correct......but then you are a well known troll on FR. Sooner or later you’ll ride the lightening bolt, just like others of your kind before you....for now you’re just a minor (tolerable) disrupter.....someday the kitties will come sniffing around.....

None will morn your ashes.

See ya in advance.....


256 posted on 04/03/2013 12:35:24 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Jeff Winston
Prior to WKA there were two kinds of citizenship: native or natural born, and naturalized.

Subsequent to WKA this is no longer true.

Broadening the "subject to the jurisdiction" clause of the 14th Amendment to include domiciled aliens which heretofore were not "subject to the jurisdiction" created a distinction between native born citizen and natural born citizen.

"The provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means." - Sen. Trumbull, framer of 14th Amend.

The Court ignored naturalization acts and naturalized the children of domiciled aliens.

This broadened interpretation of the 14th Amendment "subject to the jurisdiction" clause naturalized the children of domiciled aliens creating a distinction where none had existed. It severed native born citizen from natural born citizen.

297 posted on 04/03/2013 11:52:26 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Jeff Winston
But it is clear from all early authorities that those BORN citizens IN AMERICA were very clearly considered to be natural born citizens.

As explained to you

Prior to WKA there were two kinds of citizenship: native or natural born, and naturalized.

Subsequent to WKA this is no longer true.

Broadening the "subject to the jurisdiction" clause of the 14th Amendment to include domiciled aliens which heretofore were not "subject to the jurisdiction" created a distinction between native born citizen and natural born citizen.

"The provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means." - Sen. Trumbull, framer of 14th Amend.

The Court ignored naturalization acts and naturalized the children of domiciled aliens.

This broadened interpretation of the 14th Amendment "subject to the jurisdiction" clause naturalized the children of domiciled aliens creating a distinction where none had existed. It severed native born citizen from natural born citizen.

Early authorities that citizens born here were natural born citizens are correct. It is no longer true after WKA.

346 posted on 04/04/2013 10:31:12 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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