Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
I agree.
Make that...where your argument belongs.
Snappy rejoinder ol man.
You sure have a wit and wisdom that cannot be denied.
Why do you say that? This report says his father did not become a US citizen until 2005:
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/04/15/ted-cruz-texas-answer-to-marco-rubio/
I don't know what they teach now, but it's interesting how suddenly the only candidates are those who bend that standard.
When it comes to civics, "they" may not know how to add, but they sure know how to divide.
I believe the Founders use of the word ‘natural’ was intentional as to covering/requiring location of birth and parentage. Both requirements are subject to USA jurisdiction.
He states as if it is a fact that Cruz is ineligible to run for POTUS.
When Sarah Palin first hit the scene a few years ago, he went on a tirade about how unimportant she was. He really tore her apart. Heh, changed his tune when he say he was so wrong.
The bottom line is that conservatives need to stop sniping at themselves!
Save it for Obama!
Why attack Cruz?
Who has been denied? Nobody denied McCain. Nobody denied George Romney. And nobody will deny Ted Cruz if he wants to run.
“wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....”
Maybe, maybe not.
I could be wrong, but I think that in a case such as this (child born to American parents on foreign soil) there are certain actions the parents must take in a timely manner in order to establish that the newborn is to be regarded as a “natural born American citizen”.
It may involve going to the nearest American embassy and filling out some paperwork, nothing more.
But again, whether or not the newborn gains full “natural-born” citizenship may not be “automatic”, but rather established by the actions of the parents in a timely manner after the birth.
I welcome correction from others in this forum.
So… the $64 question is — was specific action required by Ted Cruz’ parents required to establish natural-born citizenship after his foreign birth, and (if so), did his parents take such action in a timely manner?
As yet, unknown….
I think perhaps, FOX has used a sly back door method to shine the light of day on the issue by criticzing “one of their own”. IF the rats take the bait, then it can finally be turned against their messiah......
Because McCain was born on base and it was declared US Soil. My son was born in a German hospital.
“If Obama was legal then Cruz is legal.”
Problem with your assertion:
Obama isn’t legal.
Not a legal scholar, but I was a military brat and had a number of friends born overseas to both American parents. At the time, we all understood they were ineligible for presidency. That is how we were taught the rules on eligibility.
Now, I was born in the U.S. to an American citizen (over 25, with family ties predating the Revolution) and a legal U.S. resident (but not yet citizen), and I had never heard I was ineligible until the last few years. (Funny, because my mother’s country won’t give me citizenship.)
Too many people have somehow gotten it into their heads the laws of the US apply to every other country, and they don’t.
IIRC the US is one of the few if not the only country in the world that makes you a citizen simply by being born in the country.
Just like some countries don’t recognize a woman as having the right to pass citizenship to the child only the father does. In that case the mother not being an American citizen would make no difference since by the laws of her country she couldn’t pass citizenship to the child.
So saying a person is or isn’t a NBC isn’t as open and closed as everyone thinks it is.
It depends on the laws of the other country as to whether or not the child is a citizen of the country.
His father being from Cuba was more than likely stateless at the time so he couldn’t pass Cuban citizenship.
If Canada doesn’t make you a citizen simply by being born in the country, then his citizenship would fall to his mother only.
“If you were to have asked people 7 years ago who de Vattel was, only about 0.5% of people might be able to tell you, ...”
Yes, and a sorry reflection of our times that is. I’d bet that all 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention knew exactly who deVattel was, had studied his works, and had a singular understanding of the term that’s meaning is in dispute today.
IMO, SCOTUS has let the country down by not interpreting the Framers’ meaning and intent once and for all. And, if that interpretation doesn’t comport with the sense of the nation today, let’s amend the Constitution to eliminate the words ‘natural born’ from Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5. End of dispute.
Precedent has been set.
Why attack our own?
But the hypothetical should be asked - since Cruz has said that he was born in Canada, what would happen if he all of a sudden the year before deciding to run for the Presidency started saying he was born in Hawaii instead - and posted online a forged Hawaii COLB, followed by a forged long-form, and when a SOS asked the State of Hawaii to verify the facts of Cruz’ claimed Hawaii birth the HI state registrar would not verify those facts?
This constitutional crisis was deliberately ignored by the media on behalf of Obama - whose British father’s allegiance was the reason for the Founder’s diligence.
Consider our 21st Century conundrum - what do we do in the future when the child of a LGBT couple has rented a womb - purchased an embryo of an anonymous egg donor and a prolific sperm donor?????? Parental citizenship - conception and place of birth are left off the birth certificate!!!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????
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