Fox News Declares Ted Cruz Ineligible To Be POTUS Due To Birth In Canada [American Mother]

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[Cold Case Posse Supporter]

Now we are finally getting somewhere. Just like Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality 'governed' his birth status in 1961, Ted Cruz is ineligible too. Fox News has confirmed it and rightly so. Sean Hannity made a huge blunder the other day and declared Ted Cruz a natural born citizen because he was born to a American mother in Canada. He was so wrong. Cruz is a 14th Amendment U.S. 'statutory' (not natural born) citizen which is something completely different than a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen which is explicitly designed only for the presidency by the framers.

[RegulatorCountry]

The claim that it EVER took citizen parents to make a natural born citizen is simply and absolutely false.

Do you ever actually read what you write, after you've written it?

Do you believe that a child born in the country of two citizen parents is a natural born citizen?

Do you believe that a child born outside the country of two citizen parents is a natural born citizen? If so, why? You've stated with a great deal of comical bombast that EVER making such a claim is absolutely false.

What do citizen parents bestow upon a child at birth outside the country, that they somehow don't bestow upon a child at birth within the country?

You're one-a them anti-McCain birthers, ain'tcha?

[Cold Case Posse Supporter]

You state this about John Fremont:

“And he ran VERY, VERY OPENLY as the son of an unnaturalized Frenchman.”

Show me the archival evidence that show his quotes from the campaign trail stating his father was a ‘unnaturalized’ Frenchman.

Thank you.

[Jeff Winston]

Do you ever actually read what you write, after you've written it?

Yes.

Do you believe that a child born in the country of two citizen parents is a natural born citizen?

Absolutely.

Do you believe that a child born outside the country of two citizen parents is a natural born citizen? If so, why? You've stated with a great deal of comical bombast that EVER making such a claim is absolutely false.

No, I haven't. I don't think you've read what I wrote. If so, you certainly didn't understand it.

With extremely few rare exceptions, persons born in the US are natural born citizens, whether their parents were citizens or not. Persons born US citizens abroad are almost certainly natural born citizens as well.

[Jeff Winston]

Show me the archival evidence that show his quotes from the campaign trail stating his father was a ‘unnaturalized’ Frenchman.

It's all in the official biography published, if I recall correctly, WHILE HE WAS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

But I'm not going to look it up for you. Surely you can do that for yourself.

Heck, the guy even prominently spelled his with with an accent over the e. How much more could he possibly broadcast that he was the son of a Frenchman?

And nobody cared. In fact, they probably thought it was cool. Hey, John was a son of a Frenchman and now he could be our next President.

[Jeff Winston]

Heck, the guy even prominently spelled his with with an accent over the e. How much more could he possibly broadcast that he was the son of a Frenchman?

Sorry, that should be:

Heck, the guy even prominently spelled his LAST NAME with an accent over the e. How much more could he possibly broadcast that he was the son of a Frenchman?

[RegulatorCountry]

Persons born US citizens abroad are almost certainly natural born citizens as well.

Oh, is that so? By what mechanism does this occur in a country where, as you so vehemently claim, citizenship is determined solely by place of birth?

[Jeff Winston]

Oh, is that so? By what mechanism does this occur in a country where, as you so vehemently claim, citizenship is determined solely by place of birth?

You continue to misrepresent me.

Of course.

The most basic rule of citizenship has ALWAYS been by place of birth. James Madison, the father of our Constitution, said that "place of birth" was "WHAT APPLIED IN THE UNITED STATES."

That does not and never did mean that one could not ALSO become a natural born citizen by being born to US citizen parent(s) abroad.

The First Congress made it a priority to explicitly STATE that such children born US citizens abroad were ALSO natural born citizens, and hence eligible to the Presidency.

That's why the correct historical and legal understanding of natural born citizen is as follows:

[Nero Germanicus]

Chester A. Arthur who was President from 1881 to 1885 had a father who became a naturalized US citizen when Chester Arthur was 14 years old.
The elder Arthur immigrated from Northern Ireland to Canada and then to the US.
Chester A. Arthur did not run for president, he ran for Vice President but the requirements are the same. Arthur became president when James Garfield was assassinated. The Democrats (Arthur was a Republican) tried to claim that Arthur had been born in Canada but his father’s Irish birth was not really an issue. Fairfield, Vermont where Arthur was born is very close to the Canadian border.
Due to a kidney disease (Bright’s Disease), Arthur did not run for reelection.
To the best of my knowledge, Barack Obama is the only president to have a parent who was never a US citizen via either US birth or naturalization.

[RegulatorCountry]

That does not and never did mean that one could not ALSO become a natural born citizen by being born to US citizen parent(s) abroad.

But, what about your very strongly stated opinion upthread, wherein you wrote that EVER making such a claim is simply and absolutely false?

You're disagreeing with yourself in an unusually short period of time tonight.

[Tau Food]

1 Has anyone ever run for president (general election or his party’s primaries) that did not meet the two citizen parent requirement?

2 Were any of them challenged on those grounds?

Undoubtedly.

Consider this: Until recently, proving paternity following the death of a candidate's parents was pretty much impossible. Identifying mothers has always been easier than identifying fathers. There was always room for doubt. And, if you can't determine paternity with the kind of certainty some folks are currently arguing should be required of candidates, how could a candidate "prove" the citizenship status of both his parents. If a high level of proof had been required, all prior candidates would have been found wanting. Even with DNA, it would probably be impossible to now establish Obama's paternity with certainly unless his father is still alive and could be found.

Extra credit: Who was Edward III's father and how can you be sure? ;-)

[Cold Case Posse Supporter]

You state:

“The claim that it EVER took citizen parents to make a natural born citizen is simply and absolutely false.”

Senate Resolution 511 affirming John McCain was eligible stated:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text

[Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to ‘American citizens’ on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.]

So it clearly states that because McCain’s parents (plural) were U.S. citizens, that made him a natural born citizen.

[RegulatorCountry]

By the way, returning to the lovely Venn diagram you so kindly put together, I note that you’ve given a name to the left side, and a name to the right side, with handy explanations regarding the meaning of both terms.

But, what of those poor people in the overlap? They’ve never, ever had a name in the history of this nation? Isn’t the entire usefulness and benefit of creating a Venn diagram found in the illustration of the significance of such intersections of two or more sets?

And yet there it sits, with a big old hole in the most important part. What on earth were they called?

Hmmm, that’s a real puzzler, lol.

[Jeff Winston]

What’s the matter with you? Can’ you read?

I never made any such claim.

I think what you’re referring to is when I said:

The claim that it EVER took citizen parents to make a natural born citizen [for persons born on US soil] is simply and absolutely false.

Can you not read?

[Jeff Winston]

What’s the matter with you? Can’ you read?

Sorry. Obviously, that should be "CAN'T you read?"

[RegulatorCountry]

No, a rigorous reading of the words written indicate a very strong opinion, that EVER making such a claim regarding citizen parents is simply and absolutely false.

Go back and read it. That’s what it says.

[Jeff Winston]

And yet there it sits, with a big old hole in the most important part. What on earth were they called?

Just like those who were natural born citizens by jus soli, and just like those who were natural born citizens by jus sanguinis, they were called either "citizens" or if you wanted to be more specific, "natural born citizens."

Of course.

There have only ever been two kinds of citizens: natural born citizens, and naturalized citizens.

[RegulatorCountry]

Attempted do-overs via belated parentheticals do not a Constitutional expert make, lol.

[Jeff Winston]

I think he’s claiming that those born in the US don’t have to have citizen parents, not those born abroad.

Of course, that is PRECISELY what I said.

It's not that hard to understand.

[Jeff Winston]

What I said should be perfectly clear, in the context in which it was written, to any reader of even average intelligence.