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To: RegulatorCountry
Oh, is that so? By what mechanism does this occur in a country where, as you so vehemently claim, citizenship is determined solely by place of birth?

You continue to misrepresent me.

Of course.

The most basic rule of citizenship has ALWAYS been by place of birth. James Madison, the father of our Constitution, said that "place of birth" was "WHAT APPLIED IN THE UNITED STATES."

That does not and never did mean that one could not ALSO become a natural born citizen by being born to US citizen parent(s) abroad.

The First Congress made it a priority to explicitly STATE that such children born US citizens abroad were ALSO natural born citizens, and hence eligible to the Presidency.

That's why the correct historical and legal understanding of natural born citizen is as follows:


1,287 posted on 03/12/2013 5:13:18 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
That does not and never did mean that one could not ALSO become a natural born citizen by being born to US citizen parent(s) abroad.

But, what about your very strongly stated opinion upthread, wherein you wrote that EVER making such a claim is simply and absolutely false?

You're disagreeing with yourself in an unusually short period of time tonight.

1,289 posted on 03/12/2013 5:18:12 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jeff Winston

By the way, returning to the lovely Venn diagram you so kindly put together, I note that you’ve given a name to the left side, and a name to the right side, with handy explanations regarding the meaning of both terms.

But, what of those poor people in the overlap? They’ve never, ever had a name in the history of this nation? Isn’t the entire usefulness and benefit of creating a Venn diagram found in the illustration of the significance of such intersections of two or more sets?

And yet there it sits, with a big old hole in the most important part. What on earth were they called?

Hmmm, that’s a real puzzler, lol.


1,293 posted on 03/12/2013 5:32:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jeff Winston
That does not and never did mean that one could not ALSO become a natural born citizen by being born to US citizen parent(s) abroad.

The First Congress made it a priority to explicitly STATE that such children born US citizens abroad were ALSO natural born citizens, and hence eligible to the Presidency.

Yes, they are natural-born citizens, but they are such by statute. According to the State Department's interpretation of the law, statutory NBCs may not necessarily be NBCs for Constitutional purposes. They are not automatically eligible to the presidency.

7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency

(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)

a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural-born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.

d.(Skip) In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.

I believe that SCOTUS would rule in favor of their eligibility.
1,350 posted on 03/13/2013 8:03:48 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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