Sheriff Joe Now Investigating Obama Alias Harry Bounel: Obama Mama In WA In 1961 (Arpaio)

BirtherReport.com ^ | February 25, 2013 | Al Hendershot

[Seizethecarp]

Today, I had a conversation with an investigator from the Cold Case Posse in AZ. We talked and I expanded on several dossiers filled with evidence for over an hour. They asked for all of my relevant information on Obama, the Harry Bounel alias evidence, and the dossiers I completed on Stanley Ann Dunham, her parents, and Michelle Obama as well. They have it all. BTW they also say that it looks like my information cannot be disproved and will be useful.

I have proof, definitive proof that Stanley Ann Dunham was in WA state in "1961" as per the issuance of a SSN numident in her name with the SSN 535-40-8522. There is no way that she was in HI and I have proof because in the fall she was in college in WA, not HI.

[Fred Nerks]

WHO WAS ANNA OBAMA?

She was the girl for whom Mary Toutonghi said she baby-sat in JANUARY 1961, when her own daughter, who was born in July 1959 was 18 months old.

That's who Anna Obama was. She was probably the woman the kenyan was referring to when he said his US citizen wife, from whom he was seperated, was living in the Philippenes and they were going to get a divorce.

She was the 'wife' who he maintained planned to attend Washington University. The record for OBAMA Stanley Ann DUNHAM shown as a 'transcript' may have started its life as a record for OBAMA ANNA (or ANN.)

'She' began her recorded life in this saga as the student shown at the birth announcement address as ANN S OBAMA. 'Her' enrollment at the U of HI was for the same student ANN S OBAMA.

There were two different women and two entirely seperate children used in the creation of the myth of the birth of zero. And until that realization penetrates, the square posts won't fit into the round holes, just like they haven't fitted for the LAST FOUR YEARS.

[Seizethecarp]

Anna Obama in Polk is obviously Stanley Ann.

The Polk directory corroborates the one and only Ann(a) Obama’s address in the spring of 1962 as shown in the U of WA transcript and co-located with Mary Toutonghi.

There isn’t a single document that I have seen that is claimed to support the existence of an alternate Ann(a) Obama in WA in the spring of 1962 who was not Stanley Ann.

It takes major conspiracy theory type credulousness to believe that all of the following documents were forged: the U of WA transcript and Polk and INS FOIA docs (anticipating SADO going to WA) and the subsequent U of HI transcripts affirming she was at U of WA in that same timeframe.

[Fred Nerks]

...According to one article I read, once the family had moved to Hawaii, Stanley Ann completely dropped the usage of "Stanley" and went by the name "Ann" from that point forward.

Now you would need to dig up a report from one of these 'friends' who knew her as ANN or ANNA in Hawaii, other than Neil Abercrombie, who is the only man on the planet who maintaints he saw Stanley Ann Dunham in Hawaii with the kenyan. He refers to her as ANN because he knows the girl he saw the kenyan with wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham.

That's ANN/USA sitting next to the kenyan in Hawaii at the Nachmannofs. She's probably the ANN Abercromie saw him with on 'social occasions'.

[Fred Nerks]

...It takes major conspiracy theory type credulousness to believe that all of the following documents were forged: the U of WA transcript and Polk and INS FOIA docs (anticipating SADO going to WA) and the subsequent U of HI transcripts affirming she was at U of WA in that same timeframe.

It takes a major conspiracy theory type credulousness to believe...THAT THE MAN WHO NOW RULES THE US BY DECREE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE DOES SO ON THE STRENGTH OF A FALSE ID AND A FORGED BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

You, more than anyone on FR has been guilty of preventing the consideration of much obvious material to enter into the discussion. You've been doing this for more than a year iirc. WHAT IS YOUR BRIEF?

With that attitude, I bet you are ready to swear on a stack of Bibles that the LFBC is the real deal. And IF not, then pray, why not?

OF COURSE THERE HAS BEEN A CONSPIRACY. PLEASE ALLOW FREEPERS TO DISCUSS HOW IT CAME ABOUT. You are NOT the final authority on the subject.

[Cold Case Posse Supporter]

You said: “Was his FOIA made to the IRS?”

In the link I gave you, the FOIA records came from ‘The Department Of Homeland Security.’

[Fred Nerks]

Anna Obama in Polk is obviously Stanley Ann.

Let me tell you once again, slowly, how that identification came about. In late 2008 Mary Toutonghi in Alaska was interviewed about some stolen election campaign yard signs, she had no idea at the time she was in any way connected to the Obama myth. Charlette Le Favre who runs a 'magical mystery museum' (BIG FOOT, GHOSTS, UFO's) and walking tours of Capitol Hill, discovered through a conversation with LIEF on a Seattle Chat website that there was a listing in a Seattle Directory for an ANNA OBAMA...and a further search showed the name Toutonghi at the same address. As a Google search for Toutonghi would have brought up the interview with Mary in Alaska, Charlette telephoned her.

Now, I'm going to assume freepers will spend a little quiet time to carefully read what transpired when that telephone call took place.

I will once again post the entire article. That article makes it quite clear WHO IT WAS that identified ANNA OBAMA as Stanley Ann Dunham.

MARY CLEARLY IDENTIFIES THE WOMAN AS ANNA, SHE DOESN'T NAME THE CHILD, AND SHE STATES EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS.

The only conspiracy I can see is how Anna Obama was turned into Stanley Ann Dunham.

[4Zoltan]

The document I linked to earlier is the FOIA procedures for the IRS. So it is probably just happenstance that their 1973 taxes were in the immigration file. Maybe the Immigration Service required they provide a copy of their 1973 taxes for some reason.

If the idea is to get the grandparents 1973 taxes, I image the only way is by going to the IRS. In that case, the IRS procedures would apply and they would probably deny the request. Unless you can meet their requirements.

[Fred Nerks]

FOR THE RECORD.

AND IF YOU ADD 18 MONTHS TO JULY 1959 IT DOESN’T BECOME 1962. IT’S 1961. JANUARY 1961.

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Baby Sitting Barack Obama on Seattle¹s Capitol Hill
by Charlette LeFevre and Philip Lipson
Seattle Museum of the Mysteries
1/28/09

Mary Toutonghi, 2009

A simple act of of kindness confirms President Barack Obama residence as an infant in 1962 on Seattle¹s Capitol Hill.

As we were researching the residence of the Capitol Hill apartment that Ann Dunham and her son Barack Obama had lived in 1961 to 1962, (1) - a residence that certainly wasn¹t Abraham Lincoln¹s log cabin but none the less historical, we were also able to find one of the former residents listed in a directory- Mary Toutonghi. Much to our delight it turned out Mary actually knew Ann Dunham and had baby sat baby Barack for two months giving insight on his first year and what it must have been like for Ann Dunham as a single parent.

Mary Toutonghi who now lives in Soldatna Alaska, (2) recalls Barack as ³a really alert baby, very happy and a good size². She does not remember him ever crying (although she adds she is sure he likely did but does not remember any undue fussing). She recalls as best she can the dates she baby sat Barack as her daughter was 18 months old and was born in July of 1959 and that would have placed the months of baby sitting Barack in January and February of 1962. [Note: 9/3/09: I believe Mary’s daughter was older than what she remembered which would account for the age discrepency].

During our first interview, Mary referred to Stanley Ann Dunham as ³Anna² not knowing that it was the same name as what was listed in the Seattle City Directory. This verified for us that indeed Mary had known Ann Dunham. Anna was obviously confident enough with Mary to have her baby sit her son Barack and confide in her about her future plans. Mary strains to remember the days back over forty five years ago and relates that she did not know why Anna was in Seattle but remembers she was ³anxious to get back to her husband². ³She told me they would be going to Kenya when she finished her education which she had promised her parents when she had married, but because her husband had an obligation to his tribe she realized he would have to take another wife that was a full blooded Kenyan². Mary commented that ³I don¹t think I could have been that brave.²

Mary explained most of the people in the apartment house were Seniors and were retired so it was most likely she was the only one in the house able to baby sit Barack. Mary was a stay at home mother while her husband was taking classes at the nearby Seattle University. She lived directly below Anna and Barack in the level she calls the basement. She remembers the windows in their basement apartment being at chin level and she had a great view of the yard and trees. One day she recalls with laughter, a squirrel had fallen through the one of the ground level windows and after quickly scampering up its tree scolded the family for a good hour.

Mary goes on to relate after we sent her a 1937 photo of the apartment from Washington State Archives, the apartment Anna and Barack lived in was the on the first main floor and the windows looked out over the street. Anna and baby Barack¹s apartment in the photo were the three paned windows on the far right corner of the building above the garage. The main floor had been divided into four studio apartments about 500 square feet each- indeed, a tiny apartment compared to the White House. The first house of Barack Obama no longer exists having been torn down in 1985. An apartment complex now is on the block along with twin residential towers ³Capitol Park² owned by Seattle Housing Authority.

Mary also laughs when asked for pictures saying ³We were in survival mode and not taking pictures². Mary remembers Anna as ³very mature who never complained and met her obligations². Anna was taking night classes at the University of Washington and according to the University of Washington¹s registrar¹s office her major was listed as History. She was enrolled at the University of Washington in the fall of 1961, took a full course load in the Spring of 1962 and had her transcript transferred to the University of Hawaii in the Fall of 1962.

Along with the Seattle Polk Directory, Marc Leavipp of the University of Washington Registrar¹s office confirms 516 13th Ave. E. was the address Ann Dunham had given upon registering at the University. Today, when one looks back to the small apartment in 1962 in which a kind neighbor helped care for our nation¹s leader and a struggling mother strived to get an education, its inspiring to know that even small gestures in the most difficult of situations can help a baby rise from humble beginnings to achieve greatness.

Ann Dunham later received a Ph.D. in Anthropology from the Univ. of Hawaii.

Mary Toutonghi now lives in Soldatna Alaska and was 2001 President of the Alaska Speech-Language-Hearing Association.

And one little baby grew up to achieve the audacity of hope.

Permission to copy this article is granted provided full context is posted and credited to authors.

Mary Toutonghi photo courtesy of Mary Toutonghi and Jenny Neyman.
House photo was provided by: Washington State Archives, Puget Sound Branch, King County Assessor Property Record Card collection photograph (1937).
1. Barack Obama: from Capitol Hill to Capitol Hill by Charlette LeFevre, www.capitolhilltimes.com
2. Obama baby sitter awaits new era ‹ Soldotna woman eager for former charge¹s reign By Jenny Neyman, Redoubt Reporter, Soldotna AK, 1/20/09

[Fred Nerks]

IIRC...the tax returns are in that file because there was some problem with Lolo Soetoro using the wrong form. If you read through the entire file you will find the discussion.

[bluecat6]

I can see where it appears confusing. Some may say like our own laws!

I had doubts till I found the following website where the law is spelled out better.

http://www.expat.or.id/info/familylaw.html

“3. Marriage with an Indonesian national does not automatically confer Indonesian nationality to the foreign wife. The foreign wife, however, will obtain the Indonesian nationality if within one year of the marriage, she declares her intention to become an Indonesian national, provided that she will not be holding another nationality (or will not have dual nationality). Such declaration is to be submitted to the competent District court or the Indonesian Embassy. If the foreign wife has not made such declaration to opt, she will nevertheless acquire Indonesian nationality after the first year of marriage, provided that the Indonesian husband has not in the meantime renounced his nationality. “

Worth repeating with some emphasis

“If the foreign wife has not made such declaration to opt, she will NEVERTHELESS ACQUIRE Indonesian nationality after the first year of marriage, provided that the Indonesian husband has not in the meantime renounced his nationality. “

BTW, be sure to check Article 17 c in the link you referenced. That may hold a clue as to why Obama Senior was needed in Hawaii in December of 1871.

[Seizethecarp]

“PLEASE ALLOW FREEPERS TO DISCUSS HOW IT CAME ABOUT.”

Allow?

I opened what turned out to be a 1000+ comment thread inviting you and other “researchers” to show your hand and reveal your claimed evidence that Malcolm X was Barry’s dad and Valerie Sarruf was Barry’s mom.

I explicitly invited you to show any evidence that Stanley Ann was NOT Barry’s mom including any evidence of your claimed alternate Anna Obama in Seattle, the supposed Filipina “Anne” sitting in the picture at the Nachmanoff’s party with BHO Sr. who you claim/insinuate is the mother of the first BHO II and is in a picture as the “dark boy” (actually Mark) sitting next to a boy you claim is baby Barry (actually baby David by corroborated evidence and multiple witness accounts).

Here, again is the Mal-Val thread where I invited submission of proof of any and all of your insinuated/claimed evidence:

Re:”Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man” Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama’s mom? (vanity)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2913366/posts

“Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982.” Dr. Ron J. Polland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3bYdwSsr8

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

[Fred Nerks]

YOU ARE SERIOUSLY MENTALLY ILL.

[WildHighlander57]

I can see 0 using a stolen ssn; the circles in which he moved were into that sort of thing.

But claiming that:

1) some document saying 0 lost his nationality (cert of loss of nationality) had been SEEN

2) its illegal to ask for proof

3) O supporters would scrub the sources if scans were posted

And stating things as FACTS without backup

Bothers me a LOT.

If its someones theory, say so.

If its fact, there is a higher standard, and best to have something to back it up.

Example, tax returns, that massive amount of letters, marriage docs, etc for SADO and Lolo on scribd.

That hasn’t been scrubbed, and its obvious from the context that those docs and letters are real.

[WildHighlander57]

Scribd stuff link post 187.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks justiceseeker93.

[Brown Deer]

yes

[Brown Deer]

You said Mr. Magnussen: “I don’t post copies of any evidence I have proving Obama is ineligible......

and he doesn't care to share it with Mike Zullo, probably because he has nothing.

[Brown Deer]

She applied for it on May 22, 1959.

[Brown Deer]

...It takes major conspiracy theory type credulousness to believe that all of the following documents were forged: the U of WA transcript and Polk and INS FOIA docs (anticipating SADO going to WA) and the subsequent U of HI transcripts affirming she was at U of WA in that same timeframe.

Since David was actually there on campus at the University of Washington in August of 1961 and the seizethefish was not, I'll put my money on the information that David has shared with all of us.

You are NOT the final authority on the subject.

He's not an authority on anything!

[Brown Deer]

no kidding?