[molson209]

The Lincoln Movie is Propaganda

so that means it’s the Oscar winner this year

[freedumb2003]

>>The film focuses entirely on the final years of Lincoln’s life, from the tail end of the war to his inevitable assassination (spoiler alert).<<

Lincoln was assassinated???? Didn’t see that one comin!

[circlecity]

"The film focuses entirely on the final years of Lincoln’s life, from the tail end of the war to his inevitable assassination"

"Final years of Lincoln's life?" That time frame (end of war to assassination) would consist of a few weeks.

[x]

And his article isn't propaganda?

I gather this is by Davi Barker, the Muslim activist, rather than David Barker, the anti-Muslim activist? Maybe they're the same guy.

[Homer1]

does he kill any vampires in this one?

[I want the USA back]

The left truly wants to destroy the icons of this country. It’s about destroying the patriotism and reverence that Americans once had for their country, and replacing it with worship of the gods of liberalism.

[Andrei Bulba]

This article is a disgusting mixture of left wing and pro confederacy propaganda.

Anyone who knows the Lincoln and Civil War history will recognize all the best known Lincoln quotes- misused again and again.

I’ll just pick one of the best known leftist distortions- that the Emancipation Proclamation didn’t free any slaves because it only applied to the states still in rebellion.

Sure, if one overlooks the fact an enormous Union Army was in all out war with the South, was not going to stop until every inch of the South was repatriated, and that meant all the slaves in the entire South would be-and gee- WERE FREED! Yes Lincoln exempted the parts of the South then converted to the Union side, but the idea that slavery would survive the war in those tiny areas would have been a fantasy.

So yes, Lincoln freed all the slaves, by the EP and most importantly by war.

[Hattie]

Many years ago in our history class we were taught the primary reason for the war between the states was the issue of “states rights”.

[Andrei Bulba]

And boo hoo, nasty Lincoln attacked the poor Confederacy, and all those nice guys did was split the USA in two so as to protect that wonderful institution of slavery. /s

The author of this article is an idiot as well as an A hole.

Yes, Lincoln walked a fine line as he was in a very different time and was being accused of wanting intermarriage, etc. However, if one understands Lincoln’s history, they know for example that the South seceded BECAUSE Lincoln was elected, because he was going to oppose slavery in new states, which meant the South would be outvoted in Congress and slavery would be doomed.

[Redmen4ever]

Slavery was ended in all the states in rebellion by reason of the Emancipation Proclamation. (Just to tidy things up, loyalist state governments organized in the occupied parts of Virginia, Louisiana and elsewhere freed the slaves in those places.)

The Emancipation Proclamation provided for the freeing of all slaves with compensation to owners in the loyal areas, if the military age men among them joined the Union Army. (The usual signing bonus was paid to the master.) As a practical matter, this provision ended slavery in the loyal areas, as well as the rebellious areas.

As for tidying things up in the loyal areas:

Slavery was ended in the District of Columbia, a territory of the U.S., by Act of Congress.

Slavery was ended in Missouri (a Union slave state) by reason of General John C. Fremont, as Commander of the Army of the West, when he ended the so-called true by which that state was to be neutral, and installed a loyalist state government, and that state government ended slavery. Lincoln was aghast at this act (although he would himself invoke military necessity in issuing the Emancipation Proclamation), and relieved Fremont. Fremont was later appointed Commander of the Army in West Virginia, and did well - for a Union man - against a certain Southern general in that place. You may have heard about this fellow, General Stonewall Jackson (this was before he got his nickname).

Slavery was ended in Kentucky (another a Union slave state) by reason of an amendment to the state Constitution, passed by the necessary majorities in each chamber of the state legislature.

Slavery was ended in Maryland (another Union slave state) similarly by reason of an amendment to the state Constitution. In this case, ratified by the people by popular vote, the absentee military votes being crucial. (Whenever I think of the absentee military vote, I think about these votes. The absentee military votes are very precious to me.)

The only place I don’t know about is Delaware. But, this Union slave state only had 500 slaves to begin with. I just suppose each of them was freed via one or another expedient, thus making the issue moot. I suppose one day, I’ll nail this one down.

To my satisfaction, the 13th Amendment - which is the focus of the movie - did not free one single person from slavery. It’s purpose was and remains to establish a Constitutional principle. In fact, that principle allows slavery (we would say ‘servitude’ so as to distinguish it from American Negro Slavery), in the case of debtors in default and criminals, which is quite traditional in history.

It is a slander on white people to not recognize that we did what was right by our fellow human beings when we had the opportunity. But, a fair presentation of history is not the agenda of the other side. Presenting the good along with the bad, and letting the reader judge for himself, that’s not it. Showing that all of us are sinners and yet capable of rising above sin. Showing that there are many heroes, most of whom are not named in the history books. Showing that people are often torn between competing loyalties.

There are some really good things in this movie, but it is not the movie I would have made. Civil Wars just don’t really support the easy narrative that some of us are holy and others of us evil. Civil Wars are often grounded in making differences into moral imperatives as opposed to differences about which we might seek to resolve either through bargaining or by appeal to the humanity of others.

[gusopol3]

Hope your mom is doing better.

[montag813]

The film focuses entirely on the final years of Lincoln’s life, from the tail end of the war to his inevitable assassination

Why did Spielberg stop short of Star Date 5906.4?

[crusher]

A coworker went to see it in the Peoples Republic of Montgomery County MD, where no lunatic leftwing idea is considered untenable. She recounted that the audience applauded and cheered at the conclusion of the movie, which told me it was nothing more that Marxist historical revisionism

[workerbee]

[onyx]

I’ll wait for netflix or Block Buster. I don’t spend an extra penny on Spielberg’s movies.

[Usagi_yo]

It’s a far stretch to call this movie propaganda. Nobody is going to see this movie for a history lesson on the Civil War and this movie doesn’t even attempt that. This movie is a dramatization of the last 4 months of Lincolns life and his final push for the passage of the 13th amendment.

The movie had moments of weakness. The overly long camera shot of a Black maid, or a few black soldiers — it can be largely forgiven just to see one of the finest acting $6.50 matinee ticket can buy.

Don’t be jaded. Treat yourself for some intense acting by Daniel Day Lewis and just enjoy it because the only thing we’re sure that’s the movie gets correct is the 13th amendment passed and Lincoln was assassinated and the South Lost the war.

[mjp]

So, the South withdrew from the Union democratically, and Davis made clear they intended no hostility toward the North by writing, “We seek no conquest, no aggrandizement, no concession of any kind…all we ask is to be let alone.”

The Southern soldiers were motivated to fight because of:

1) nationalism
2) patriotism
3) defense of hearth and home (and property)
4) national rights
5) Southern independence
6) survival as a nation and way of life
7) liberation of the nation from invaders
8) ideology
9) duty
10) honor
11) principles
12) higher cause
13) loyalty
14) integrity
15) right of self-defense
16) instinct of self preservation
17) territorial instinct

[INVAR]

I’m of the opinion the Civil War was God’s judgement on our nation for the institution of slavery making a mockery of the liberty declared in our founding document (a sin paid for in blood makes one wonder how much blood God will require for the sin of abortion?).

That said - the historical revisionism we’ve mostly been subject to is amazing. The war itself did not begin over the abolition of slavery. The reason for the South seceding was not because they wanted to keep slavery alive. Lincoln did not raise up troops to invade his own country because of slavery.

What year and month did the war begin?

And then, what year and month was the Emancipation Declaration given?

Then ask yourself WHY did Lincoln wait until then to give the Emancipation Declaration?

The answer is found in the fact Lincoln was losing support for the War - in the North, where sentiment was growing to let the Confederacy go.

As to the war itself - had Lee listened to General Longstreet ins tea dog letting his pride of invincibility take over his judgment, the war would have ended much differently.

I have no desire to see Hollywood’s political usage of Lincoln to further the racial divide in this country.

[Varda]

“Sort of how “Passion of the Christ” allowed Mel Gibson to ignore anything Jesus actually taught. Here’s some of what was suspiciously left out.”

Gibson did the Stations of the Cross. Any reviewer that can’t grasp such a simple fact about a movie can’t be trusted to evaluate simple facts about other movies.

[yarddog]

I would go out of my way to not watch it.

We are already bombarded with constant propaganda, I have no intention of paying to watch more.