I know the answer to that one...
Posted on 11/16/2012 8:43:43 PM PST by chrisnj
Why GOP won't challenge Voter Fraud.
The Republican Party made an agreement 30 years ago with the Democrat Party NOT to ensure voting integrity and NOT to pursue suspected vote fraud. ......... more in the link
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/
(Excerpt) Read more at fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com ...
“why is it not cited to stop voter ID requirements when they are raised by a state when Republicans are in control?”
The RNC is bound by the agreement, if in fact there is one, not individual Republican officials. Republicans represent the electorate in office, not the national committee.
I was referring to the blog ost as an article. I don’t remember if there are links. Iif this case is real I should think it’d be easy enough to search for it.
“This is a thread pimping blog post”
That doesn’t bother me. Blog pimpage as a whole is annoying, but in individual cases I can device whether or not I want to read on. You are free to ignore it on principle. Just be careful debunking arguments you haven’t read, for they might be a different than you imagine.
I was referring to the blog ost as an article. I don’t remember if there are links. Iif this case is real I should think it’d be easy enough to search for it.
“This is a thread pimping blog post”
That doesn’t bother me. Blog pimpage as a whole is annoying, but in individual cases I can decide whether or not I want to read on. You are free to ignore it on principle. Just be careful debunking arguments you haven’t read, for they might be a different than you imagine.
“The article is inaccurate. The Consent Agreement...is that neither can Monitor Poll stations MEANING they cannot send/be poll watchers.”
That’s what I understood the article to be saying. What did you think it averred?
They can and do. Nothing in this article says different.
Since you questioned this, I went ahead and read the blog.
First, the consent decree doesn’t result in what the blog claims. It prevents voter fraud prevention activities that are targeted at minority populations.
It has nothing to do with challenging voter fraud, or preventing voter fraud, on a national basis.
There is nothing in the decree that prevents the GOP from actually dealing with cases of fraud — it is about running fraud detection programs, not going after fraud.
Second, the blog makes use of other blogs as if they are sources of information. This is typical of blogs, they feed on themselves without much concern for facts.
For example, the blog entry claims that Romney was “leading” in 4 states leading up to the election, that he ended up losing. But that is false.
The RCP average for Virginia was Obama +0.3, with only one Romney poll in the last week; the only reason Obama wasn’t further ahead was an outlier +5 romney poll two weeks before the election.
Ohio had Obama +2.9; he only won by +1.9, so Romney actually did BETTER than the polls suggested he would.
Colorado had Obama +1.9. He did much better than that, but again, the blog falsely claims Romney was leading in this state.
Florida did have Romney leading in the RCP average, by 1.5, he lost by 0.9, but that was within the polling margin of error.
So, when a blog claims that Romney was leading in 4 states, but actually Obama was leading in three of those 4 states, it should be a clue that the blog isn’t really dealing with facts.
Other than that, the blog just makes blind claims using numbers as if they are facts. “only 407,000 votes” would get Romney elected, they say, as if that is a small amount. As someone pointed out, Bush would have lost twice if you simply switched a fourth of that number to his opponent.
And the blog cites the “99% obama precincts” as if that shows fraud, when it just shows a historical FACT that these precincts vote almost entirely democrat. In other blogs where they actually cite individual precincts, you can look them up, and see how they did historically.
I did so for one precinct in Richmond Virginia, and found that McCain did no better, and even McDonnell in winning big couldn’t break 10 votes.
I also showed how in 2008, there were dozens of precincts in Ohio where McCain got less than 10 votes. There are entire areas of inner cities that have nothing but people who live off the government and vote the way they are told by their benefactors, which is straight democrat. Richmond didn’t even have a republican running for Congress one year.
The blog also claims that districts had registrations that exceeded their population. That is simply a repetition of a misunderstanding of fact. There was a census in 2010. There were places where registrations exceeded the voting age population found in the 2010 census. But that doesn’t indicate more registrations than actual voters.
For example, in most states students are allowed to register to vote at their colleges, but the census would count those students in their home states. Also, people move, people come of age to vote.
The ludicrous thing is claiming that nobody would notice, and nobody would investigate, if there was an actual precinct where the known adult population was less than the registrations. There is no law or decree that would prevent either party from examining the voter registration roles and determining after the election whether those registrations represented actual people in the district.
And if that isn’t enough to give thoughtful conservatives pause over this blog, I’ll close with this quote from the blog:
” Fife, a U.S. government contractor, claims that in 1992 while he was visiting Moscow, a woman with undying allegiance to Soviet Communism (the Soviet Union had recently collapsed, on December 31, 1991) told him that a black man named Barack, born of a white American woman and an African male, was being groomed by communists to be, and would be elected, President of the United States.”
Yep, manchurian candidate Barack Obama, who apparently, according to the blog, had a lobotomy: “we’ll never know why Obama has that very long scar running from one side of his head, over the crown, to the other side” (maybe the blog writer thinks Obama had his brain transplanted with the preserved cranium of Lenin or something).
In the very short description that the blogger gave for his blog entry, he said:
Why GOP won't challenge Voter Fraud.
It's not my fault that the blogger misrepresented his blog entry. The consent decree doesn't keep the GOP from challenging voter fraud. It doesn't even keep them from pursuing it.
I based my comments on what the blogger excerpted, since the excerpt should contain the meat of the article.
Having wasted my time reading the blog, I found nothing to change my opinion about what the blog was trying unsuccessfully to argue.
I don't care if people pimp blogs. I don't have to click the link, and I rarely do if they excerpt. And if they aren't smart enough to put good excerpt information in their threads, that's their loss when I comment on what they excerpted.
If the blogger wants me to comment on his entire thought, he can post it here.
“In the very short description that the blotter gave...he said: ‘Why GOP won’t challenge voter fraud.’”
Which is what the article was about, only before or during, not after elections.
“It’s not my fault that the blotter misrepresented his blog entry”
Not misrepresented, just incompletely explained. But then headlines never tell everything. You say it’s misleading because you got the wrong idea. I did not share your experience. If the blog pimp is at fault, at least you can admit your fault was not reading the article and commenting on it anyway. Which doesn’t necessarily matter unless you guess wrong.
“I found nothing to change my opinion about what the blog was trying to argue.”
But at least now you know what it was arguing.
For the record, I never said the blot is correct. I hadn’t heard of this case before tonight. My gut tells me the RNC would agree to anything to avoid minority vote suppression lawsuits. But everything you say might be true. I was just annoyed by the fact that the thread and the posts were at cross-purposes.
“You obviously didn’t read the article”
It’s not an article, it’s a stinking blog!!!
“It’s not an article, it’s a stinking blog!!!”
The thing as a whole is a blog. What we’re talking about is a specific entry or post. I never thought anything was wrong with calling a blog post an article, so long as it’s longer than a tweet and coherent enough to be more than a passing thought.
The statist propagandists like to use the label “voter suppression” to describe any activity where free speech and free association dissuades a person from casting a vote for a democrat.
But no matter my intent, I’m free to “suppress” any voter I want to as long as I’m not threatening or committing fraud. And so is anyone else.
And I’m free to associate with any other person. The RNC, like any other organization that cannot ‘practically’ exclude members, is a free association.
As such, the association has the same rights collectively as the individuals that make up the association.
Whether or not some legal decision, consent decree, or law says differently does not make my opinion wrong.
In fact, I’m about fed up with people telling me right is wrong just because some left-wing statist court says so.
It’s not vote fraud, I hate to be the voice of reason here. The GOP ran the most moderate candidate (practically a democrat), and still lost. The country is now moderate-left, at least in the swing states, and that’s all that matters. Unless you want 8 years of Clinton again starting in 2016 the GOP must moderate. The GOP needs to be far-right on non-social issues, and accepting of the left on social issues.
I know the answer to that one...
Sure - and like the Masons and other groups, all the new members continue on with the secret handshakes and the sacred duty to make their presence immaterial.
It’s sure a long bunch of stuff that LOOKS legit, but I don’t see any signatures or seals to prove it. It isn’t signed by a judge. It isn’t notarized. There may be a judgement on file that does have them, but this isn’t it.
I refuse to believe this.
This smells to high Heaven. Rat stench all over it.
What about Col West and other Republicans who have hired lawyers and have challenged the count?
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What you can do:
These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan:
Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. (See contact information below. Please provide others in COMMENTS.)
Send them the press clippings, or personal testimonials of clear vote fraud witnessed. (Statistical aberrations are helpful too like a historical 50% turnout in 2004, 2008 but a 90% turnout in a specific precinct despite an overall LOWER state turnout.)
Demand a public recount AND investigation, with a commitment to fight to replace THEM in the next election if they do not do so.
Email/Phone/Visit EVERY WEEK if not EVERY DAY. This will take weeks of steady pressure to get them to move.
Get your friends and neighbors to do the same.
Contact the OTHER 4 states to do the same as above.
Contact the Governor and the local GOP office with the SAME pressure.
(List of web contacts for each below)
If you are in those states (or know people who are) start attempting to find OTHERS with evidence of fraud. See if you can identify the precinct judges where the statistical aberations occur to pass along to the True the Vote which is set up to sue these entities with Judicial Watch.
Try to visit (or call) your local representative asking for their help to put pressure on. It doesn’t hurt that if they don’t or won’t you make it your goal to find and fund a challenger to them for allow open and honest elections – the fabric of freedom in this country – to not only go unchallenged, but to institutionalized.
Contact your city, state and national media to keep this story alive as well. (Fox News has an email just for this at voterfraud@foxnews.com)
Help us find, fund or coordinate willing lawyers, statisticians, pollsters and activists.
I can not reiterate enough that if this is NOT CHALLENGED NOW, we will could loose the House of Representatives in 2014 and possibly every election forward to massive voter fraud. Imagine Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi reenacting the first two years of Obama’s reign with more Stimulus, Cash for Cars, Solyndra’s and ObamaCare’s.
This fight can not be put off for another election cycle or another day. Or there will no longer be a constitutional America. Put down your foot and make the declaration, “THIS VOTE FRAUD WILL NOT STAND!”
Via SafariWoman at TeamNetworks.net
Here’s contact info for all states:
OHIO:
(614) 466-2655
(877) SOS-Ohio (767-6446)
TTY: (614) 466-0562
TTY Toll-free: (877) 644-6889
E-mail the Agency
180 East Broad Street, 16th Floor
Columbus, Ohio 43215
WISCONSIN:
30 W. Mifflin, 10th Floor
Madison, WI
(608) 266-8888
PENNSYLVANIA:
302 N Office Building
Harrisburg, PA 17120
(717) 787-6458
VIRGINIA:
Office of the Secretary of the Commonwealth
1111 East Broad Street, 4th Floor
Richmond, Virginia 23219
(804) 786-2441
Fax: (804) 371-0017
FLORIDA:
Director’s Office (for Elections)
Main Line: (850) 245-6200
Fax Numbers: (850) 245-6217 or (850) 245-6218
Email: DivElections@dos.state.fl.us
Mailing Address:
Department of State
Division of Elections
Director’s Office
Room 316, R. A. Gray Building
500 South Bronough Street
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0250
From Christa Schauf:
THIS PHONE LIST IS COMPLETE FOR ALL 50 STATES http://teapartyorg.ning.com/page/house-of-representatives
House of Representatives
U.S Capitol Switchboard – 202-224-3121
STATE GOVERNORS
(1) Rick Scott, Governor of Florida
http://www.flgov.com/contact-gov-scott/email-the-governor/
(2) John R. Kasich, Governor of Ohio
http://governor.ohio.gov/Contact/ContacttheGovernor.aspx
(3) Bob McDonnell, Governor of Virginia
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/AboutTheGovernor/contactGovernor.cfm
(4) Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin
govgeneral@wisconsin.gov
(5)Tom Corbett, Governor of Pennsylvania
http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Governor/govmail.html
(6) Rick Snyder, Governor of Michigan
(1) Mitt Romney
http://www.mittromney.com/forms/suggestions
(2) Republican National Committee
http://www.gop.com/contact-us/Fox
News
(3) National Republican Senatorial Committee
http://www.nrsc.org/contact-us/
(4) National Republican Congressional Committee
E-mail: website@nrcc.org
(5) FOX News
foxnewstips@foxnews.com
(6) FOX News
Friends@foxnews.com
(7) Rush Limbaugh
ElRushbo@eibnet.com
(8) Mark Levin
http://www.marklevinshow.com/contactus.asp
(9) Shawn Hanity
http://www.hannity.com/contact
(10) Laura Ingraham
http://www.lauraingraham.com/help
(11) Michelle Malkin
Email: writemalkin@gmail.com
(12) Newt Gingrich
http://www.newt.org/contact/
Petitions for Recount!
Petition to Congress
Petition to White House
Petition to GOP
Petition to FEC
Petition to Count Denied Military Votes
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