Posted on 10/27/2012 6:06:00 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
Your conclusion does not necessarily follow. Patraeus is saying that no one at the CIA told people not to give aid. Calls for help could have gone to others than the CIA. The CIA could have said "we need higher authorization" and were denied it from the POTUS". So there are at least these two other possibilities.
Calls for aid would normally be to the U.S. military, not the CIA. See Travis McGee's excellent posts on this subject. Patraeus seems to be pointing a finger upstairs at the POTUS with this declaration.
He parroted Obamas line about the video protests getting out of hand. He ONLY spoke up when the story fell flat and it was revaealed that CIA was told to stand dowm.
He knows the truth, but only gives little hints now. He could tell the whole rotten story, but he still protects Obama. He’s corrupt or a coward.
Our government lies to us as often and enthusiastically as any totalitarian enemy we scream about. Guys like Petraeus are right in the thick of it. And leaving grunts behind a machine gun with no fire support is nothing new to Petraeus, he used the same rules in Afghanistan. Men have died there many times, screaming for arty or air only to have it denied because the enemy was in a building.
This is the most evil thing you can do, is refuse fire support to someone in a firefight.
Where’s that old Norman Rockwell poster. The man manning a machine gun. “Lets give him enough,,,and on time”.
“Regrettably sometimes the brass has to wait to show brass.”
Those men hammering away behing the gun, fighting for their lives didn’t have that luxury. They lost thier very lives, but we cannot expect “brass” to risk their job? Their time to show brass was chosen for them. So was Petraeus’s, and he shrunk away from his duty.
Petraeus is a coward. When he saw those men abandoned to die, he should have immediately told the story, no matter WHAT the consequences to him and his career. Instead, HE also pushed the story that it was a spontaneous riot due to the video. If that story would have flown, he’d still be silent.
This is why our senior officer corps is becoming universally hated. They expect balls out loyalty and effort from the ranks, but they must be allowed to carefully shepherd their precious career.
The more the lies and denials continue, the more I lean in favor of the "conspiracy theory" that BHO setup the ambassador to be taken hostage so BHO could "justify" the release of that terrorist back to Egypt without all the blow-back.
“Petraeus: “No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need”
Translation, “we were watching and did not see anyone we judged to be in immediate need”.
BUMP-TO-THE-TRUTH!
TREASON - aid, comfort and weapons to enemies and pre-meditated lies in the form of direct attacks on amendment 1.
TREASON like this republic has never seen before.
TREASON...in real time...right now...continuous...ongoing.
“Patraeus seems to be pointing a finger upstairs at the POTUS with this declaration. “
Then why not just say it in plain english? He could tell us PRECISELY who decided what, why, and their exact words. Is there ONE person in our national government, military or intelligence agencies who is not an abject liar?
Why is this level of dishonesty towards the American people tolerated? A half truth is a full lie.
Almost every single word they say to us is rife with lies. Every press conference, every statement, every speech. All of it.
This incidently is the hallmark of a dictatorship, not a constitutional republic.
Does anybody believe that people like Petraeus, Obama, Hillary, Beohner, Mitchell, Justice Roberts simultaneously believe we cannot be told the truth, yet hold the people in reverence politically? NO, they see themselves as our Platonic guardians, and that we do not need information because we do not make decisions.
The only report of Patraeus saying that comes form a Democrat party hack, who says that he said it in a closed House of Representatives briefing. We have Senators saying he never said it in their Senate briefing.
Patraeus cannot defend himself on this because he is not allowed to reveal what was said in the briefing's.
I strongly suspect that the Democrat representative is the one doing the lying to assist in the coverup.
If I am wrong, please correct me, but that is the only way that I have heard this.
The last group Obama needs to take on is the CIA. Whoever might know the reality of his past the CIA is at the top of the list with, probably, Mossad and Putin...maybe the Chinese.
Well, until the inventory of what got taken by these homicidal robbers is released we cannot be sure who had the most to gain/lose by intervening or not.
NO excuses. He knows that the American public is being lied to and is hiding behind the skirts of “classified briefings” to advance the lie.
If he knows the truth, and refuses to let the disinfecting sunshine in, he is as bad as the liar in chief, maybe worse. Those SEALs risked and lost their lives. And this coward won’t risk his career or a criminal charge to expose the treason that killed them? He isn’t fit to even discuss them.
But you did lie congress and tell them it was all about a video that had only 1,000 views at the time of the attack.
If they called their boss, and their boss was a contractor, maybe it was their boss, the contractor, that told them to stand down. A contractor is not in the CIA chain of command.
I have worked with military contractors. They tend to be pretty risk adverse. Maybe that is what happened.
So far the State Department and the CIA have told you exactly who made the decision in the most diplomatic way they can. If this had been Republican administration this would have been blasted from the rooftops of every news organization in a constant stream of condemnation.
It is rather amazing in terms of history what both of these organizations have said. This is no longer Hillary covering her behind and pointing fingers. The CIA statement even gave cover for the DOD....nobody is falling on their sword for this President and they have just told the world.
“Typical top brass military politician”
Thank you for expressing my sentiments exactly. It’s not enough to “not deny them aid”. The right answer is to do the right thing and help them, then after you’ve saved them show up first thing in the morning at the White House with your resignation in hand.
If he was unable to help them, he should still resign because he was forced to uphold and support an abhorrent policy.
It is the duty of any honorable man or soldier in situations like this to do the right thing first, follow orders later. This government, and a large portion of our military command do not seem to be populated by honorable men.
The only two men to ‘do the right thing’ first and follow orders later in this story are the two SEALs that died, if I’m to understand the reports correctly.
How any of these guys can work for and execute the orders of this President that sacrifices Americans in favor of just about anyone else is beyond me.
Profiles of Cowardice.
The reports are the four men from the annex went to help the Ambassador or "mission" or "consulate" or whatever the final designation comes to be. Two were killed. That means that two are still alive.
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