Posted on 09/07/2012 6:30:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
“Truth is the new hate speech.”—“Creeping Sharia”
“We [the people] own this country.”—Clint Eastwood
I feel like I ought to start out each of my articles anymore with a disclaimer, or caveat saying something along the lines of “WARNING: The contents of this article are to be considered null and void in the event of a “Reichstag Fire,” false flag event, and/or an invasion by Russian Spetsnaz in collusion with Northcom,“or words to that effect.
My intent is not to make light of such concerns, as God knows we have reason enough to be more than a bit edgy these days—what with the Patriot Act, NDAA, the torrent of Obama EOs (Executive Orders), various government agencies stockpiling millions of rounds of ammo, and other such things.
Personally, I am what you might call a cynical optimist—I hope for the best, but plan for the worst. I keep myself open to the idea that the US can peacefully pull itself out of the colossal mess that it is currently mired in—but I have enough guns, ammo, freeze dried food and whatnot to open a small survivalist store.
Be that as it may—the main topic that I wish to address in this article is my decision to back the Romney/Ryan ticket, and the fallout from that. Contrary to what some of you may think, I have not rushed off and enlisted in the “Dark Side.” I am as opposed to the Big Bank/ Big Corporation/Big Government/Big War cabal as ever...
(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...
Like I said, and you tacitly admitted - you and your likeminded pals obviously hate those of us who stand on principle and faith and refuse to vote for Romney more than you hate Obama and the MarxoFascists.
You cannot stand what you consider to be ‘pharisaic’ ‘pious’ self-righteousness’ merely because I openly state I am not going to vote for Romney due my faith and principles. For that, you and your likeminded pals have declared me on myriad threads a traitor; that I will be held soley responsible for Obama’s reelection; I will be ‘remembered’ if Obama wins; I’m a ‘a hater’ who brings dishonor to Christ; and other assorted subtle threats and derisions.
You also insist MY posts are turning FR into a hate site.
Interesting. Again, I lift this thread up as evidence and testimony to everyone as to whether or not my posts and replies are indeed what you claim they are. To you, I am a hater and everything else you accused - and nothing is going to change that view. Good and fine. I don’t waste time attempting to dissuade the convinced.
However, you aren’t going to find any foul language from me here, nor have I reviled in kind for the manner I have been treated on this thread alone. If calling someone who is spewing condescension and insults what they are for engaging in that behavior, then I would say that you act exactly like those you claim you are going to vote against.
But then you take it one whole step further, to insist my posts and ‘witness’ is causing people to reject Christ. That’s incredible coming from a supposed ‘conservative’. Usually the only kinds of people who throw out those kinds of charges, are the folks who attack me because I won’t bend and kowtow to the promoters of homosexual marriage. I’m a ‘hater’ there too, and also accused of turning people off of God because of my ‘purist’ ‘intolerance’ bigotry; and every other assorted accusation they can dream up because of my opposition to homosexuality.
Not much difference between what those people accuse of principled Christians, who won’t accept homosexuality and what you people accuse of principled Christians who will not violate their faith and consciences by refusing to vote for Romney.
When you people have to resort to the tactics of the Left in order to demand support for a politician, the fruits reveal there is little difference in either of you.
You accuse and project what you yourself are doing - I have derided and insulted no one who is voting for Romney. Not once, not anyone. One of you guys quoted JimRob’s decision to support Romney - and I gave no dishonor to his decision for choosing to do so. I have simply stated openly, that I refuse, and I give my reasons why. It’s those reasons and the arguments arising from those reasons that have driven you and your pals absolutely insane with rage.
I think the fruits that the folks who cannot tolerate any opinions or disagreement (when it comes to not voting for Romney) is from you and your pals whom you went to bat for on this thread.
I don’t knuckle under to people like you and your pal Lakeshark. You act like playground bullies - and then accuse the guy who hits back with ‘starting the fight’ to the teacher because you cannot tolerate anyone daring to defy the ‘vote Romney meme’ you and your pals demand of everyone.
I can’t vote for Romney because of his liberal record on abortion and other things.
Today though, I can’t even endorse the GOP at all.
The House votes to fund Obama Care and Planned Parenthood and crap.
Not conservative in the least.
Just as I figured, neither you or your phantom posse can find a post, not a single one where you've been "persecuted for your Christian faith" here. Not one.
You sir, are delusional.
Anyone reading the thread can see. You've been challenged to find just one post, and you can't.
Game over. Kindly seek professional help from a real pastor.
It's not the name calling that is so tragic, it's that he is so delusional as to believe he is being "persecuted for his Christianity" than mocked for suggesting we give 1/2 of each one of our votes to Bambi. He doesn't understand how that is different from what he is actually saying, can't comprehend that it actually IS different, and to me that's more than simply sad.
If he really has a posse that is following this, I think even they are embarrassed by his claim of persecution.
Right. Let them read this thread to see if that is the case.
Your daily insults especially. They speak for themselves. You keep insisting what you are doing is not what you are doing. I suggested you follow biblical advice on dealing with 'fools' considering your insistence I am one (delusional and so on) - you laughed at it. That alone reveals what your motivations clearly are, and what it really is you are hating.
My principles are established by my faith. I will not vote for Romney because of those principles that are established by my faith. So you can continue to deceive yourself and others that attacking my principles and faith is not what you and your pals are doing - but your fruits speak. Daily.
If you are not persecuting me for my principles, my faith and my refusal to vote for Romney - why do you continue daily insults when I have not reviled you in kind? You insist it's not because of that - yet you make it a daily practice to call me delusional, to seek professional help, to belittle my service to the Lord and so on.
You suggested I stop digging holes for myself - yet it's you dumping heap after heap of derision, insult and condescension - and I'll say it again - I'm not the one holding the shovel there pal.
Nope, if that's all you and your ilk did, no one would be pointing out that you and your groupies aren't doing that. Get it?
you and your likeminded pals have declared me on myriad threads a traitor; that I will be held soley responsible for Obama’s reelection
Not true. I've never said that to you or anyone else associated with your groupies that 'you'd be held solely responsible for a Marxist's reelection.' I've repeatedly said, "IF you vote for a third party, it almost always helps an incumbent get re-elected." That is a fact, and just because I stated a fact that you don't like doesn't make me a liar or a hateful person.
I’m a ‘a hater’ who brings dishonor to Christ; and other assorted subtle threats and derisions.
Whenever a Christian behaves in ways that are unbecoming of a Christian, whether it is using foul language, short of temper, obnoxious and rude remarks and insults, intentionally misstating someone and attributing it to the person you allegedly 'quoted' (which is a lie), DOES bring dishonor to Christ and DOES destroy not only your Christian testimony but also Christian credibility.
Usually the only kinds of people who throw out those kinds of charges, are the folks who attack me because I won’t bend and kowtow to the promoters of homosexual marriage. I’m a ‘hater’ there too, and also accused of turning people off of God because of my ‘purist’ ‘intolerance’ bigotry
There's not a subtle difference between taking a stand for your beliefs in a Christian manner v. claiming your stand IS the Christian stand, while spewing insults and name-calling to your target of the day.
For example, if you and your groupies posts were actually in the spirit of "I openly state I am not going to vote for Romney due my faith and principles," then, you're not displaying ungodly, unChristian, ugly and obnoxious behavior.
Unfortunately, those kinds of posts by you and the groupies are rarely, if ever, made, despite your protestations to the contrary.
Just saying you all act in all ways Christian, and, therefore, have the right to claim you all are superior in your Christianity and conservatism as compared to everyone in FR who disagrees with you doesn't make it true.
This thread. Evidence. Read it.
Or not.
Not true. I've never said that to you or anyone else associated with your groupies that 'you'd be held solely responsible for a Marxist's reelection.'
Neither have I said what you have attributed to me. But that did not stop you from implying and associating that I have now, has it? Perhaps you and I see one another through the actions of those who share our personal political sentiments? Given our experiences with the Left, this is not an uncommon and often correct assertion to make. Conditioning, if you will.
That said, I am sure that you have been vilified by those angry at the assaults on their choice not to vote for Romney, just as I have been told by those rabidly supporting Romney exactly what I posted above.
Whenever a Christian behaves in ways that are unbecoming of a Christian, whether it is using foul language, short of temper, obnoxious and rude remarks and insults, intentionally misstating someone and attributing it to the person you allegedly 'quoted' (which is a lie), DOES bring dishonor to Christ and DOES destroy not only your Christian testimony but also Christian credibility.
You won't find any of that from me here. This thread has not been pulled, everything I posted is here and public. Point out the posts I've made that use foul language. Or the post I made that you say has turned FR into a 'hate' site. I'm curious what stretch and length you are going to spin in order to justify the accusation. This ought to be amusing.
I'm all for repenting of dishonoring Christ, I inadvertently do it every day in this flesh I'm slave to. But that said - I do not agree that my posts here do such a thing. Dishonoring Christ is one of the reasons I won't repeat the sin of 2008 by voting for the Ruling Class candidate. At the same time, I won't bow to bullies, or let them walk all over me and others. Christ was not a walking carpet - even if the image America has crafted for Him, says that we must shew kindness to evil as a sign of tolerance and non-judgmentality.
I'm not that kind of Christian.
There's not a subtle difference between taking a stand for your beliefs in a Christian manner v. claiming your stand IS the Christian stand, while spewing insults and name-calling to your target of the day.
We're getting closer to the real core issue you and your pals have. But you're projecting again. Projecting on me, this 'creep'; 'purist'; 'hater'; 'jackal'; 'liar'; 'causing people to reject Christ' etc., whom you have declared a pharisee (those are just the terms you used in this thread alone) while asserting what is in your estimation to be, proper Christian behavior.
To quote Spock, "Fascinating".
For example, if you and your groupies posts were actually in the spirit of "I openly state I am not going to vote for Romney due my faith and principles," then, you're not displaying ungodly, unChristian, ugly and obnoxious behavior.
Yeah sure. Look pal, that was done and done again here on this thread by me. The results are evidenced in this thread and elsewhere on the site of what happens when you state you are not going to vote for Romney on principle and faith. All the accusations of 'voting for Obama', and all the various justifications of that statement including 'traitor'; 'held responsible by me'; 'I will have a long memory of who here betrays us'; and so on and so on. Then there's all the vitriol of us 'jackals', 'purists', 'holier' than thou', 'sanctimonious a-hole', spew of insults coming from the bunch who sees anyone not voting for Romney as worse than an Obama drone and personally responsible for the end of the country.
Unfortunately, those kinds of posts by you and the groupies are rarely, if ever, made, despite your protestations to the contrary.
This thread. From the beginning. Read it, I dare you.
Just saying you all act in all ways Christian, and, therefore, have the right to claim you all are superior in your Christianity and conservatism as compared to everyone in FR who disagrees with you doesn't make it true.
There it is. That's it. Without my ever suggesting or stating such a thing - THAT is what you assert I MUST be due to the fact I state without apology I will not betray my faith or principles to vote for Romney. Therefore - you have decided that I am obviously claiming to be superior in my Christianity and Conservatism compared to everyone else at FR who disagrees with me.
That's the burning conscience thing I mentioned to your pal Lakeshark that you folks seem to be suffering from. It's an outrage to you and your pals that anyone would dare suggest voting for Romney was against their Christian principles. That is why you call me the things you have.
Which gets me back to the parallel example of derision obtained by those who also hate my stand against homosexuality, and make nearly the same assertions and accusations you have, that I am a 'pharisee', 'hater', 'judgmental' superior' and all the other rot gut and insults you fling in concert with those supportive of the homosexual agenda.
So let me address the notion of superiority as you accuse. Let me be plain and state openly on a public forum - I am worthy only to be a washer of feet. I am unworthy of anything else in the service of Jesus Christ - and as such - I am the least and most unworthy of all Christians on earth. And that said - I will not betray my faith or principles by voting for Romney.
And that, ultimately is what truly bothers you and your pals. That I will state such a thing - because to you and yours - equating voting for Romney as a betrayal of my Christian principle, you see as an indictment of yours.
And that is what is really behind driving you and your pals nuts and making the kinds of posts and insults this thread is replete with.
Then again, I'm just a JACKAL right?
Granted, let's go with that. I'm a jackal.
I'm still not going to vote for Romney. Now what? Got any other useful adjectives and invectives to throw my way?
All you do is post reversals of the truth.
As you said, this thread, and many others, already evidence exactly what you and your groupies are saying to others who do not agree with you, how you act, and what your tactics are. Your latest response is the same little script you all follow. I laugh at how you all think you’re so ‘clever’. The only people you’re fooling with your schtick is yourselves.
You’re projecting again.
So says this “jackal’ and the other assorted insults you and your pals have flung on this thread.
It really burns you people that I consider voting for Romney a commitment of sin and a betrayal of principles, don’t you?
Yes.
That’s why all the vitriol.
I find it amusing you guys direct all your insipid rage against me, and not the guy you are all so supposedly scared to death of winning another term in office.
As I said, you and your pals hate us more than you do the MarxoFascists.
You guys have been a great motivation for me to actively remind Christians about where their first allegiance lies in the upcoming election. So thanks for spurring me on. The daily insults and screeds like what you have posted above, definitely let me know I’m on the right path doing the right thing. Thanks.
The threads and posts make the truths I have stated self-evident to any person who wishes to look.
Lurkers, please feel free to send me a freepmail if you desire additional names on which to search. They can be names from either the 'purist groupies/wolf pack' or their the people they don't agree with, like me.
:)
I see what you are doing now.
Look bub, I’m not intimidated, but it is amusing and revealing the lengths you people will go to demonize, ostracize, insult, ridicule and otherwise attempt to bully.
You picked the wrong guy to attempt that with.
I don’t suffer bullies, but I do enjoy being hated especially by folks like yourself.
As I said before, the thread and posts are all the evidence anyone requires to come to their own conclusions. Seek, and they shall find. If they need help, I’ll give them names, either side. Sounds fair to me.
And as I said before, I don’t hate anybody. I just hate bad behavior.
I guess you weren’t listening, again.
Right. “Bad behavior” as in; I won’t vote for Romney due my faith and principles, and because I dare say so publicly - such is bad behavior - and according to you - turning people away from Jesus Christ.
That kind of bad behavior.
The only thing I will agree with you about, is that this thread and all the posts are here and evident.
Unlike you however, I don’t need to make lists and hand out names for the purpose of slander, insult and accusation to try and bolster my points.
But then, I’m a ‘jackal’ according to you, among other things.
Right. You don’t hate anyone. Just us ‘jackals’ who won’t agree with you and knuckle under to the intimidation.
7. Let's PretendMay I once again start by putting two pictures, or two tories rather, into your minds? One is the story you have all read called Beauty and the Beast. The girl, you remember, had to marry a monster for some reason. And she did. She kissed it as if it were a man. And then, much to her relief, it really turned into a man and all went well. The other story is about someone who had to wear a mask; a mask which made him look much nicer than he really was. He had to wear it for year. And when he took it off he found his own face had grown to fit it. He was now really beautiful.
What had begun as disguise had become a reality. I think both these stories may (in a fanciful way, of course) help to illustrate what I have to say in this chapter. Up till now, I have been trying to describe facts—what God is and what He has done. Now I want to talk about practice—what do we do next? What difference does all this theology make? It can start making a difference tonight. If you are interested enough to have read thus far you are probably interested enough to make a shot at saying your prayers: and, whatever else you say, you will probably say the Lord's Prayer. Its very first words are Our Father. Do you now see what those words mean?
They mean quite frankly, that you are putting yourself in the place of a son of God. To put it bluntly, you are dressing up as Christ. If you like, you are pretending. Because, of course, the moment you realise what the words mean, you realise that you are not a son of God. You are not being like The Son of God, whose will and interests are at one with those of the Father: you are a bundle of self-centered fears, hopes, greeds, jealousies, and self-conceit, all doomed to death. So that, in a way, this dressing up as Christ is a piece of outrageous cheek. But the odd thing is that He has ordered us to do it.
* * * 10. Nice People Or New Men
If conversion to Christianity makes no improvement in a man's outward actions —if he continues to be just as snobbish or spiteful or envious or ambitious as he was before—then I think we must suspect that his "conversion" was largely imaginary; and after one's original conversion, every time one thinks one has made an advance, that is the test to apply. Fine feelings, new insights, greater interest in "religion" mean nothing unless they make our actual behaviour better; just as in an illness "feeling better" is not much good if the thermometer shows that your temperature is still going up.
In that sense the outer world is quite right to judge Christianity by its results. Christ told us to judge by results. A tree is known by its fruit; or, as we say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. When we Christians behave badly, or fail to behave well, we are making Christianity unbelievable to the outside world. The wartime posters told us that Careless Talk costs Lives. It is equally true that Careless Lives cost Talk. Our careless lives set the outer world talking; and we give them grounds for talking in a way that throws doubt on the truth of Christianity itself.
Someone might want to do more than just post excerpts of literature they would like to paint assertions, derision and accusation upon.
They might try actually reading and COMPREHENDING what they post. Paying particular attention to the parts they highlighted in bold.
Of course I’m just a purist groupie/wolf pack/Jackal according to those doing the accusing. I would suggest however, they might look in a mirror first and see if there is a plank somewhere it ought not be.
But I doubt they will.
After all, they laughed when scripture was offered to them on how they should deal with a ‘fool’ that they have accused this Freeper of being. They never applied the wisdom of that scripture I offered, nor did they probably even look up the passage after I graciously accepted their charge of my being a fool. They continue to answer whom they obviously consider foolish and other assorted sundry derisions, casting aspersions upon my faith and calling in the process.
Obviously, they simply are too intent on warring upon those who defy their insistence that everyone must vote for Romney.
It is evident in this thread alone, that it is not Barack Obama and the Marxist agenda they hate - it is the ‘purist/groupie/wolf pack /jackals’ who they now assert demean Christianity and are behaving badly, because we refuse to vote for Romney and are vocal about it, whom they really hate. Look how much effort they have put into daily insults and now apparently making ‘lists’ of names and searches of posts of those who disagree with them to be used in some kind of Freepmail campaign.
And what that boils down to - as I pointed out in my reply in 908 - is that the principles we cite for refusing to vote for Romney are seen as some kind of declaration of Christian superiority and pharisaical blasphemy - which they must attack with all vigor.
So much so that citations about bad Christian behavior from C.S. Lewis should be painted broadly upon those of us whom they have decreed are ‘purist groupie/wolf pack/Jackals’.
Such behavior is to be expected from those worshipping and supporting Obama and the ideology of the Left. It is interesting to note that those supporting Romney engage in the same exact thing, for nearly identical stated reasons.
yeah right dicmarlo...coming from you, who couldnt manage to post the proof of yer accusations on the last thread, thats comical...
put up or stfu...
That you can't find a post where I do that, while insisting I AM doing that, is what is delusional and deserving of mockery.
Go ahead, find the post where I said that, show the world you're right, and this conversation will be stopped.
Unfortunately, you've already proved you cannot do that, you've been challenged to find just one post, and you cannot find it, yet you droll on and on, insisting that a falsehood in your own mind is actually true. Other posters have tried to hint at your folly, but you just go right on believing your own self righteous, Pharisaical PR. Now, you could stop, realize what you've been saying is not true, repent of your statement, but noooooooooooooo, you can't do that.
It's why I call you delusional.
No longer worry about it.
He has chosen to accept false teachings, lest he be accused of not being 'nice' to someone.
Let him go.
Would you be so kind to IDENTIFY the Freeper?
I would imagine that some would like to reply directly as to the statement you posted.
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