Posted on 08/22/2012 7:43:13 PM PDT by JediJones
The slavering, slobbering hyenas in the Republican party, by tearing at the flesh of their own senatorial candidate Todd Akin, are doing their best to blow their shot at taking control of the Senate. By eating their own, they are consuming themselves. And they seem too brainless to know it.
If he loses this race, it will be the fault of party poobahs, not Todd Akin. One of the party leaders actually suggested last night that the GOP try to run a third-party challenge to their own candidate. That would be a certifiably guaranteed way to forfeit victory to the opposition.
Akin’s words, for which he apologized even though he had no need to, were right. He was entirely correct to say that pregnancies in cases of forcible rape are rare.
He did not, by the way, say that pregnancy was impossible in rape, just rare.
How about the New York Times, the Bible of [left-wingers]? “Lowering Stress Improves Fertility Treatment.”
Said Dr. Domar, “If you’re really stressed out and depressed, the body seems to sense that’s not a good time to get pregnant.” Hmm. Sound suspiciously like the body shutting down, no?
Todd Akin uses one word that was grossly misinterpreted by his enemies, and the members of his own party throw his carcass to the jackals.
Now that Akin has decided to stay in...as he should, ignoring the hysterical bellows and the pitchforks, the ruling class Republicans will have to eat some crow and reverse themselves by resuming support for Akin’s candidacy. Certainly they cannot be so stupid as to commit hari-kiri by withholding help because they’re in some kind of snit. Can they?
The lesson from all of this: if you’re a Republican, and you want a friend in the party, you’d better buy a dog.
(Excerpt) Read more at afa.net ...
Wrong.
The interviewer brought up abortion in the cases of rape. Akin decided to bring up the issue of a woman’s likelihood of getting pregnant through rape. Which has NOTHING to do with the question, and if in his mind it does, then he’s very confused on what it means to be pro-life.
You don't say what you are, other than "a physician".
Is that supposed to be funny?
Goodnight Phil. I'll give the Secret Service your regards.
We're done now. We'll just agree to disagree and you can move on to the next person you have issues with.
The question...
Charles Jaco: Okay, so if an abortion can be considered in the case of, say, tubal pregnancy or something like that, what about in the case of rape? Should it be legal or not?
Here is his reply to the question...
Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.):
Well, you know, uh, people always want to try to make that as one of those things, ‘Well, how do you – how do you slice this particularly tough sort of ethical question.’
It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. You know, I think there should be some punishment but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.
Which has NOTHING to do with the question, and if in his mind it does, then he’s very confused on what it means to be pro-life.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
a physician by definition is a Doctor of medicine.
checkmate
And since you're here on the web under an anonymous name you might not even be a physician at all.
I simply don't know who or what you are.
It was neither.
Goodnight Phil.
So the issue of whether it’s moral to abort a child conceived in rape is dependent on how likely it is to happen?
You mean if it rare then it would be wrong to murder the baby, but if pregnancy from rape is common then should no longer oppose it?
Whether it’s rare or it’s common, it’s still WRONG. Because it’s MURDER. He brought up an irrelevant issue which demonstrated that his thinking on the issue is muddled and unclear, and your defense of him demonstrates the same quality in you.
There are two types of physicians: M.D. (Medical Doctor) and D.O. (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine).
And some D.O.s do get their Ph.D.s
checkmate
Your move.
osteopaths are called osteopaths
checkmate and goodnite. don’t forget your haldol.
You mean if it rare then it would be wrong to murder the baby, but if pregnancy from rape is common then should no longer oppose it?
Same question as above.
Whether it’s rare or it’s common, it’s still WRONG. Because it’s MURDER. He brought up an irrelevant issue which demonstrated that his thinking on the issue is muddled and unclear, and your defense of him demonstrates the same quality in you.
Once again, thanks for sharing your opinion.
I want to start by stating I read every link on the first page of the search you provided. However, if you would indulge me, I have a couple of comments before I address my findings.
First, I cannot help but remark that you are significantly moving the goalposts by abandoning rarity of conception in favor of miscarrying.
Second, I noticed a profound absence of any attempt on your part to link elevated cortisol with rape victims. This may just be an oversight on your part, but without it your position is a non-starter. If you would be so kind as to provide links to support this premise it would be much appreciated.
That said, on to the Google-provided information....
Most of the linked articles cited one or more of three studies - one of 61 married women in Guatemala, one by the University of Berlin, and a 1997 study of pregnant workaholic female attorneys. Additionally, one linked article on about.com cited other studies and questionnaires, some of which found links between elevated cortisol and miscarriages and some that didn't. What stood out the most was that elevated cortisol levels attributed to stress is very likely linked to a higher risk of miscarriage, but could not be conclusively identified as the primary (or even a significant) cause of miscarriages.
In other words, no study was able to conclude if elevated cortisol caused miscarriages, impending miscarriages caused elevated cortisol, or other factors caused both the miscarriages and the raised cortisol levels. The researchers of all the studies made sure they were clear on this point.
One final note: none of these articles have anything whatsoever to do with the acute trauma associated with rape somehow reducing the possibility of conception. You are mistakenly presenting studies on the effects of prolonged elevated stress on existing pregnancies as a very clumsy attempt to support your desire to prove an absurd claim.
Have a good night.
don’t forget your haldol.
Well given that comment...So you're a psychiatrist after all?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Second, I noticed a profound absence of any attempt on your part to link elevated cortisol with rape victims.
I'm merely bringing attention to the fact that there are a myriad of things that give evidence of a woman's body being able to, in the words of Mr. Akin..."shut that whole thing down".
The cortisol level increase can happen after the rape, due to stress, and it might cause the woman's body to reject the egg, can't it?
Now, if you've got some study that you would like to proffer then I would be more than willing to look at it.
As to the rest of your comment...thanks for sharing your opinion.
The cortisol level increase can happen after the rape, due to stress from the rape, and it might cause the woman's body to reject the egg, can't it?
Now, if you've got some study that you would like to proffer then I would be more than willing to look at it.
Since you asked:
From Sciencealerts.com:...The objective of the current study was to assess HPA-axis functioning in female adolescents with rape-related PTSD, but no prior sexual trauma, in comparison to non-victimized controls....Compared to age-matched controls, adolescent rape victims with PTSD showed significantly reduced cortisol and DHEAS levels....(Emphasis mine)
So much for the theory that rape victims have elevated cortisol levels.
You should have, IMO, picked the title, which is a link, which would have brought you here...
Salivary cortisol and dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate in adolescent rape victims with post traumatic stress disorder
Conclusions
The results show evidence for a dysregulated HPA-axis in female adolescent victims of single sexual trauma with PTSD. The finding of hypocortisolism is consistent with endocrine dysfunctioning in chronic sexual abuse victims and may have clinical implications with regard to treatment possibilities.
So you disagree with the conclusions given in the second article?
They can't even seem to argue that the child is the one unarguably innocent person of the three, and should not be slaughtered for that.
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