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To: Shout Bits; humblegunner; Eaker; TheOldLady; Old Sarge; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; Markos33; ...

Just a guess here, but I don’t think you’re going to find a highly receptive audience on this forum for your pro-drug agenda, no matter how you couch it Constitutional rhetoric.

Like I said, just a guess .....


2 posted on 07/30/2012 10:51:07 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi
Here's one.

If a government can proscribe a weed, it can certainly proscribe say, ammunition or the components of ammunition.

We must be concerned with the health and safety of our population, mustn't we?

6 posted on 07/30/2012 11:00:34 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: shibumi
Just a guess here, but I don’t think you’re going to find a highly receptive audience on this forum for your pro-drug agenda, no matter how you couch it Constitutional rhetoric.

Yeah, plus he leaves out a lot of the negatives regarding Marijuana. It tends to make people worthless and lazy, thereby requiring support from other people, and it also serves as a "gateway" drug when the THC high just isn't enough anymore.

Apart from that, it appears the Netherlands, everyone's favorite example of a legal drug environment, has decided to make Marijuana use illegal for foreigners. They will still tolerate it for their own citizens, but gone are the days when visitors can go to Amsterdam and buy pot.

I'm really sick of hearing libertarians constantly suggesting that keeping drugs illegal is tantamount to tyranny. They need to stop acting like little children and grow up.

9 posted on 07/30/2012 11:06:04 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: shibumi

“Just a guess here, but I don’t think you’re going to find a highly receptive audience on this forum for your pro-drug agenda, no matter how you couch it Constitutional rhetoric.

Like I said, just a guess .....”

I am sure you are right, but my objective is not preach to the choir. If people in OK don’t want legalized MJ, that is quite fine with me. If people in OR or CO do, that is equally fine. That is the reason why we have sovereign states subordinate to Washington in only certain matters that the states so authorized (or so it should be).

I and the article are not pro-drug, BTW. Libertarians are pro liberty and personal responsibility. We do not look to the government to protect us from ourselves. That is the issue, and I regret I did make it more clear.


10 posted on 07/30/2012 11:07:44 AM PDT by Shout Bits
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To: shibumi

The “Constitutional rhetoric” is dead on, and “it’s about pot” won’t make it go away.


18 posted on 07/30/2012 11:23:56 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: shibumi
Maybe we could try a plan where the country is divided up into different regions where things like the pluses and minuses of marijuana prohibition could be decided on a small scale, test case basis, instead of having all the rules come from Washington DC.

I'm thinking that about, say, fifty such regions would be a good number.

Is this too radical a concept for FR these days??

19 posted on 07/30/2012 11:26:49 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: shibumi

I’m thinking your guess is wrong.

I am firmly for the pro-drug agenda. Legalize all of it.

Every argument you make sounds to me like the arguments made by the anti-gunners - return to the Wild West, blood in the streets as cartels take over, etc.

For every loss of individual freedom due to the war on drugs, you are to blame.


24 posted on 07/30/2012 11:34:53 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: shibumi; DiogenesLamp; Shout Bits; tacticalogic; AlmaKing
"Just a guess here, but I don’t think you’re going to find a highly receptive audience on this forum for your pro-drug agenda, no matter how you couch it Constitutional rhetoric."

It's 'pro-freedom' to be against the pointless War on [Some] Drugs. The anti-drug illusion is a scam to scare people into handing over their liberties.

You see, the only way to create an illusion of control over drug use in a somewhat free society was to severely punish the very few users that got caught. Also, it helped to automatically turn possession of multiple doses into "dealing".

We now have corrupt ‘magic object’ drug laws where a tiny palm-able package planted on a citizen with NO other evidence at all can lead to mandatory jail time and/or seizure of all the citizen's property for supposed "dealing". It happens ALL the time and I speak out about this because it happened to one of my best friends. It ruined his life and the corrupt cop was finally caught years later.

Here is just one example that was all but censored in the corrupt US media. This scum didn't do a single day in jail because he threatened to bring down the whole NYPD: “[Judge] Reichbach called [ex-NYPD Detective] Arbeeny’s behaviour ‘not only reprehensible abuse of trust and authority but the corruption of the entire criminal justice system.”

I agree that abuse of truly addictive and toxic substances can be very damaging to individuals and those close to them. However, we have to look at the big picture before giving our rights away for a fruitless corrupt war that only serves to funnel money into the 'right' pockets.

The War on [SOME] Drugs is yet another corrupt government money-funneling operation. After 40 years and constant increases in spending, drug abuse has not decreased at all. Just open your eyes:

-IF drug prohibition was about keeping toxic, addictive substances from people, why is alcohol sold as easily as candy to anyone over 21? It is 100% medical fact that it rots every organ of the body starting with the liver and brain. It is 100% medical fact that alcohol is so addictive that you can DIE from the withdrawal.

-The true drug cartels sit in beautiful corporate offices, bribe doctors with perks and pretty “sales reps” and they ship entire WAREHOUSES full of toxic/addictive drugs. All the top US pharmaceutical companies sell drugs that act identically and are just as dangerous as the street drugs they have replaced:

*Heroin – Sold pure as Diamorphine. Countless synthetic derivatives such as OxyContin, Percocet, Fentanyl (considered 5-10 times stronger than natural heroin!). Many can be crushed and injected, just like heroin.
*Cocaine – Procaine, some amphetamines affect the brain almost identically- Ritalin, Adderall, Concerta. Pure Cocaine is also manufactured as an anesthetic.
*Meth - Pure Methamphetamine is sold under the brand name Desoxyn and is even approved for children.
*Hallucinogens – Hypnotic/psychotropic drugs like Ambien, Seroquel and a countless array of various “anti-psychotics”.
*Entirely new classes of addictive toxic drugs that didn’t exist in nature - Most notably benzodiazepines like Valium and Xanax.

Since 2008, the number of addicts and injuries from Rx Opiates alone has exceeded that of every illegal drug combined! That is only the Rx opiates – not the amphetamines, not the muscle relaxants, not the psychotropics, not the hypnotics, not the benzos, etc. Don’t you see how most famous addicts now die from prescription drugs and not illegal ones? Big Pharma is now the top dealer and the WOD storm troopers are their enforcers.

If you want to see just some of the people big Pharma is destroying go to any shady pharmacy or ‘pain clinic’ about an hour before opening time. Ghost-white silent people sweating, shaking, standing in any weather while watching the seconds tick down until their fix. Then there are those that can't even leave their homes. They get their Rx dope delivered and often paid for by taxpayers. The Bob Marley listening stoners hanging out in front of pot shops are nothing in comparison.

The drug industry propaganda is quite good - Think about how many people out there would jail someone for growing a pot plant yet think nothing of the drug companies FORCIBLY DRUGGING OUR YOUNG CHILDREN in school with amphetamines and making them future addicts for LIFE...

79 posted on 07/30/2012 2:16:19 PM PDT by varyouga
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