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To: Sam Gamgee

Ron Paul is a rare speciman of a modern statesman who traces his lineage to Jeffersonian Republicanism (e.g. Madison, Franklin, Henry, Tyler and their ilk). Other Republicans and Democrats are both descended from Hamiltonian Federalism (Adams, Lincoln, FDR), with the only distinctions being distinctions of emphasis on which of Hamilton’s ideals dominate their policy. Jefferson’s intervention against the Barbary pirates, and likewise Madison’s intervention against British interruption of American shipping (war of 1812) both occured for the same reason; Jeffersonian Republican’s believe in free trade, with no subsidies of production or services, no tariffs, and no interference from foreign powers, so a military response was a no brainer. Ron Paul, incidentally would also support a miliary response in similar situations in which our freedom to trade was threatned by miliary action (e.g. Iranian blockade of the Persian gulf, for example). Rand Paul is also of the same ilk, but can’t think of any other Republicans, alhough some libertarians are also basically of this ilk. Walter E. Williams is a self-declared Jeffersonian Republican as well.


38 posted on 07/12/2012 7:10:46 AM PDT by LambSlave
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To: LambSlave
LambSlave: "Madison, Franklin, Henry, Tyler and their ilk"
"Rand Paul is also of the same ilk"
"some libertarians are also basically of this ilk"

In normal American English usage, the word "ilk" is always negative, as in: "you can't trust people of that ilk."
Yes, in the original Scottish, "ilk" referred to landed gentry, but we don't cotton much to those types here, FRiend. ;-)

LambSlave: "Other Republicans and Democrats are both descended from Hamiltonian Federalism (Adams, Lincoln, FDR)...
...Jeffersonian Republican’s believe in free trade, with no subsidies of production or services, no tariffs, and no interference from foreign powers, so a military response was a no brainer."

Under President Washington average tariffs began at 15% (1792), were reduced to 8% (1795).
Under President Jefferson tariffs rose to 10%.
Under President Madison (1815) tariffs fell to 7%.
Under President Monroe (1820) tariffs rose to 20%, and
under John Quincy Adams to 22% before peaking
under President Jackson (1830) at 30%.

This triggered a near revolt, which brought tariffs back down to 14% by the end of Jackson's term, and to 13% under President van Buren (1840).
Until 1840, all presidents belonged to Jefferson's Democrat-Republican or Jackson's Democrat party.

From 1840 through 1860, tariffs went up (to 22% in 1845 under Democrat Polk) and down (to 15% in 1860 when Lincoln was elected).

Under President Franklin Roosevelt, tariffs began near the 19% of 1930, fell to 15% in 1935 and to 13% by 1940.

Since WWII, tariffs have been steadily reduced and today stand just over 1%, the lowest in history.

LambSlave: "Jefferson’s intervention against the Barbary pirates, and likewise Madison’s intervention against British interruption of American shipping (war of 1812) both occured for the same reason..."

This site lists every US military operation from 1775 through present.
Please note that every President, without exception, was involved in some foreign and/or domestic military operations.
Doubtless, all of them seemed necessary at the time.

39 posted on 07/13/2012 5:37:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: LambSlave
Yes, but Paul argues he would only attack the actual terrorists abroad without holding account the states that harbor them, as though terrorists are somehow free agents, and their host countries bear no responsibility.

It was a no brainer, but my point was Jefferson was not against foreign interventionism when the nation's security was at risk.

41 posted on 07/13/2012 8:36:22 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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