Posted on 06/17/2012 3:06:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
"This is how great republics die"
-- George Washington"Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths?"
The Constitution of the United States, which all officers of government, in every branch, must swear to support, is crystal clear that Congress has the exclusive constitutional grant of power to establish immigration and naturalization standards.
"The Congress shall have Power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization..." Article 1, Section 8:
Also, the Constitution absolutely requires that the United States protect each of the States from Invasion.
"The United States...shall protect each of them [the States] against Invasion..." Article 4, Section 4:
Barack Obama's actions this week in, by executive decree, granting certain classes of illegal invaders of our country a de facto amnesty are an obvious usurpation of that exclusive congressional power, AND they are a gross dereliction of one of the primary imperative duties of the Commander-in-Chief.
If a president were acting to check a lawless law passed by a lawless Congress; in other words, if he was standing firmly against a Congress or Court that had clearly breached their own constitutional limits; I would support actions by the chief executive to stop them. His oath would require that he do so.
But that is obviously not the case here.
I applaud the actions of my congressman, Steve King, in launching a court challenge to this illegitimate Obama policy. The third branch of government, the judiciary, should immediately join with the legislative branch to check the executive's lawlessness.
However, this is a perfect case to illustrate why Congress was also given the impeachment power. If they cared at all for their own oaths to support the Constitution; if they cared about the survival of the rule of law in this country, if they cared for our territorial integrity and sovereignty, they would immediately impeach this usurper and remove him from office at once.
To be frank though, experience tells me that they will not do so. Obama Democrats have no regard for the Constitution or their oaths, and Romney Repubublicans have no principles or spine.
This is how great republics die.
Tom, Lake is a man who for whatever reason has chosed to lie to himself. I do not know what happened to him to make him abandon logic and reason. We fought the PDS wars together and he was as steadfast a supporter of what was right as one could ever find.But on this issue he has self-deluded to the point where he refuses to answer that most basic of questions. “How can a conservative vote for a man with Romney’s record without abandoning his conservativism?”
He retreated into fear and the language of the left rather than face the fact that with out belief in what is right, a man has nothing but what is wrong to comfort him..
I do not intend to vote for either Obama or Romney. I will instead vote for the conservative candidate, the Constitution Party candidate, Virgil Goode.
What prevents conservatives from voting for a conservative candidate? Fear. In this case, it’s fear of doing something different, because if conservatives did something different, then it just might not work out.
Those who vote for Goode know the numbers. They know that a conservative candidate could win if conservatives were to stick together and support him.
Therefore, the issue is not that there are, as fearful conservatives continue to say, “only 2 candidates in this race.” No, there are at least 4 at this moment: Johnson, Goode, Romney, Obama.
No, the issue is those conservatives who are voting for a radical liberal and pretending to themselves that he is not a radical liberal. It is not possible to go forward by going backward. The truth is that they lose whether they support Romney or Obama, and the nation suffers with either.
Look at Megan McCain, Lake. She is the future of the GOP-E: A radical, leftist, pro-gay, pro-abortion feminist. And she is young and only just starting.
The issue is that conservatives keep doing the GOP-E thing, and they keep getting the GOP-E result.
It’s sad that they could band together around someone who believes like them, but they instead choose to band together around a liberal, and they castigate those conservatives who stay true to their principles.
“We can’t do something different!” they say. “Why, there’s this AntiChrist in charge, and the sky will fall if we do anything different. So...I know we don’t trust the liberal GOP-E,but.... we’re going to trust the liberal GOP-E.”
You have no vision. I understand you perfectly. I smell.....fear.
“Look at Megan McCain, Lake. She is the future of the GOP-E: A radical, leftist, pro-gay, pro-abortion feminist. And she is young and only just starting.”
Every election since Reagan, the party has gone farther and farther left. The demarcation of what is the political center has likewise moved left with it.
Compared to MR, McCain was a conservative zealot. The GOP has adopted the ‘never let a crisis go to waste’ philosophy of the left. For years they have edged off the conservative platform they themselves wrote. They as a party (shown by the likes/support for the Grahmm/Bhonner Republicans) have long wanted the cheap labor of illegals and any number of decidedly non-conservative outcomes. We have watched them be forced into one political corner after another by a base that sees things opposite of their ‘leadership’.
But now they are in a situation where they have what they believe is the ultimate rationalization as displayed by Lakeshark and others. Either vote for the man who will deliver unto them the things they’ve longed for or be stuck with the evil of Obama. They have used the lib philosophy of the invented crisis (invented as they pushed MR knowing he was unwanted/opposed) to create what is on the surface a catch 22 scenario for the resistive base.
But it isn’t.
The whole strategy rests on our belief in America. If Obama is reelected, it’s gone. Fair enough. But what “IS” America? Is it a place where illegals run free as a serf class for labor? Is it a place where we abandon sovrignity for a globalist worldview? Is it a place where crony is the prefered form of capitalism? Is it a place where we put the rights of gays over hetros and of children? Is it a place where abortion is an a’la carte menu choice at McClinic?
That’s not an America envisioned by the constitution. It’s not an America that has anything in common with the founding fathers. It’s not anything like the America we all grew up in just a few short decades ago.
That’s not America period. And it’s not a bastardization that any person who believes in good, evil right and wrong can honestly vote for.
I will vote for America as it was and should be again. And should enough ‘conservatives’ not take their heads out of their dark place, then so be it. America as it stood is well and truly over. That’s not hyperbole. That’s a by the amendments constitutional fact.
Pardon me for reminding you, but you have been the head of another party championing Alan Keyes for almost twenty years now.
I did notice how each one of you carefully (deliberately) avoided answering my question........and shan't forget, nor will others who are reading this exchange.
Best of luck to you all, so few Dwarves, 'tis a pity.......
When you get around to the questions I asked, I’ll get to yours. That’s how it works. You don’t get to duck questions and demand answers to your own Lake.
Any other leftist names you’d care to pull out of your newly liberal playbook or is ‘Dwarves” your final word on the subject? Do you not see what you’ve become?
You’re making that up.
Whatever.
See ya.
I went back to look at your post, and saw your question again, but I also noticed that you answered it for us. You said that we’d agree that Obama is the worst. When one writes a rhetorical question and then gives the rhetorical answer there is no need to answer the question. The only reason to respond to it would be if the person disagreed with the rhetorical answer. I did not disagree with it, so I didn’t respond to it. Obama is the most socialistic, etc. that you listed.
Who could deny that???
However, just because getting bit by an African Mamba is awful, that doesn’t mean I want to instead get bit by an American Eastern Diamondback.
I’d just as soon not get bit at all.
Obama and Romney are both snakes. Snakes bite.
That is a great paragraph, NL. Awesome! Thanks.
And "McClinic" made me smile.
Bullseye!
Thanks ;)
But that’s what it really what this fiasco comes down to when you take away all the BS. How much of America are people willing to abandon and still try calling the result “America”?
I can play Call of Duty on an XBox till my fingers bleed and kill every opponent I encounter but I’m not a real soldier. I can act in a community production of Oklahoma! and I am not an award winning actor.
And people can geographically live in the confines of the United States, but if we abandon everything that made it what it was, then we are not in America. And I defy ANY ABO, from FreeRepublic to the GOP/MSM to logically explain how we could be.
It’s like believing Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of Al Bundy. One can choose to ‘believe’ that, but it isn’t Christianity.
As Honest Abe once said... “How many legs does a dog have if you consider the tail a leg? Answer? Four. Calling a tail a leg does not make it one”.
Likewise, calling the bastardization that the Romney GOP wants for America “America” does not make it so.
Lest you have the opportunity to claim that those of us who will not vote for Myth are somehow "afraid" to answer such inane nonsense:
If and ONLY IF you care about Muffie's trust fund and its careful cultivation and protection, Myth might be marginally better but not enough to merit voting for him EVER against ANYONE.
A conservative voting for Myth Romney is what the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan called "Defining Deviancy Down."
Personally, I don't give a rat's patoot for spoiled Muffy or her trust fund. I care about REAL issues and Myth is wrong on all of them. He is a useless POS without a shred of principle to his name. He is an enemy of all things and all people who are conservative, an enemy of Western Civilization, an enemy of the innocent unborn, an enemy of marriage, an enemy of the middle class and of working class Americans, an enemy of gun ownership and the RTKBA. He is a man without soul or substance, a fraud, a liar, about as "Republican" as George McGovern.
I trust that answers your silly question.
PDS wars? What does PDS mean? I agree with you n most matters, I just want to know.
By all means, don't forget. AND I will wager that none of us (the actual conservatives) will EVER let you forget.
BTW, anyone familiar with J. R. R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings Trilogy can tell you, dwarves are actually quite admirable, diligent and moral fellows and therefore stubborn as can be. They are good allies and fearsome enemies and, even more than Sauron, likely to win because of their admirable qualities. Sha'n't let you forget that either.
Each dwarf is worth an infinity of spineless unprincipled Myth mushballs and there are a lot more of us than you imagine. If you elect your useless boy, you can count on the fact that we will seek to destroy him now and forever.
I shall not vote for Obozo or for Myth and I vow to resist the winner until destroyed.
Since you want to use the language and symbols of Tolkien, I think it eminently fair to have a contest as to whether you or some other Myth sycophant is Gollum. Now or later, we shall destroy your "precious."
Your Senate numbers are previous to the 2010 election. Now there are 47 Republicans, 51 Demonrats and 2 Independents (Lieberman and who else?).
PDS = “Palin Derangement Syndrome”.
While opinions on Palin and her fitness to hold the big chair vary, there is a huge difference between ‘spirited disagreement’ and the fiasco that was the ‘PDS wars”.
As Palin drew closer to making her decision last year, there were a number of the very same kinds of ‘conservatives’ we see supporting Romney doing everything within their power to further every leftist meme they could get their keyboards on. Everything from attacks on her kids, mocking her for protecting her name and family, you name it, like monkeys in a zoo, they threw as much $h!t at her as they could find. None of it based in reality and all of it character assignation at it’s worst.
In fact it was many of the same people.
There was a good number of us that spent literally thousands of posts fighting back against the BS and it got extremely ugly. One of the most solid ‘defenders’ in those flamewars was Lakeshark. As I said earlier, he was as rock solid a conservative as one could find, posting many factual and logical rebuttals to the liberal ranting.
Which is why I’m so surprised by his current position. It goes flatly against everything he once strongly believed in and fought (hard) for.
Spoken like Slick Willy and most democrats. Amazing, and you actually expect people to vote for you with the kind of prevarication you just pulled with that phrase?
I've spoken with you on this forum many times about your obsession with Alan Keyes as the presidential candidate of your, yes your, old party that supported him for so long.
You never accomplished anything then, and what you are doing now seems to be a rerun of that obsession with you as the candidate.
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