Posted on 03/24/2012 3:38:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
As the investigation into the investigation of the killing of Trayvon Martin continues, new facts are beginning to surface, and the Fox affiliate in Tampa Bay found an anonymous witness who spoke to them in George Zimmerman‘s defense, saying he saw the man who was mostly the aggressor in the struggle fall on the grass, dead.
Tampa Bay’s Fox 13 reported that the witness, who agreed only to be identified as “John,” saw the struggle and it was his testimony the police used to let Zimmerman go free (John spoke to Fox 13′s Orlando Affiliate, Fox 35). His statements to the cops were instrumental because Sanford police say those screams you hear,” the anchor notes, are Zimmerman’s and not Martin’s. Says John: “When I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.”
The police report allegedly included notes of Zimmerman’s shirt being wet and grassy on the back, a sign of struggle. What it also includes, though, according to this report, is an initial assessment of the situation as “manslaughter and unnecessarily killing to prevent an unlawful act,” according to the first police officer on the scene.
This story is far from over as the story develops and Zimmerman’s side comes up to light. Given that the witness is anonymous and the only on-the-record supporters of Zimmerman’s are his parents, his neighbor, and his lawyer, however, a reasonable explanation for his behavior appears quite elusive. The station also compiled Zimmerman’s history of 911 calls, the police report from the night of Martin’s death, and a number of other handy documents to understand the situation.
The report via Fox 13 below:
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OK, I didn’t know the age of the little brother. I’ve only seen a picture of a young Trayvon holding him, Trayvon looked 10 to 11-ish and the baby looked about a year old.
Clean out the spaces in the URL ... The Curious Case of Trayvon Martin
The killing happened 60 feet from Martin's father's townhouse, but surprisingly, when Trayvon didn't return from his errand, it didn't occur to his father that Trayvon might have been involved in the incident:
The father thought that he was missing, according to the family’s lawyer, Benjamin Crump, but the boy’s body had actually been taken to the medical examiner’s office and listed as a John Doe.The father called the Missing Persons Unit. No luck. Then he called 911. The police asked the father to describe the boy, after which they sent officers to the house where the father was staying. There they showed him a picture of the boy with blood coming out of his mouth.
I"ve been telling them to catch the 911 Call with Zimmerman and follow that closely and critically. Then you can add in the whatever stuff you want from whatever source, but that phone call is EVIDENTIARY ~ a lot of the other stuff isn't.
Also, the story is simple ~ Zimmerman follows Martin. Zimmerman shoots Martin. ~ just about everything else is hearsay or, worse, irrelevant to this case.
I am not accusing and only making an observation here.
Trayvon’s mother has been quoted as saying things that make me scratch my head. Like she has been fed different stories. One she says Trayvon was sitting on a porch when he was killed. She has also said Trayvon went to the store because he was bored.
She is quite torn up and I can understand how that is— she was obviously crazy about her son. But it also makes me wonder what all Trayvon’s father has told her, too. I don’t know why but I’ve been puzzling and wondering about the dad for a few days now. It is also interesting that the dad says it is not Trayvon on the tape, now he says it is? He also didn’t hunt Trayvon straight away.
The Skittles story could have come from Trayvon’s girlfriend, maybe? She was supposedly on the phone on and off the whole time he walked to and from the store. Maybe Trayvon told her he was going to get his little brother Skittles?
I’ve been reading about this case for a while.
What you posit is basically identical to what I believe happened.
You left out: Zimmerman has broken nose and bloddy contusions to the head. Martin has gunshot wound to the chest.
I don't know where the story about the younger soon-to-be step-brother came from. In Martin's father's version of that night, Trayvon was not home when he returned, but he wasn't too worried because Trayvon had been spending time with an older cousin. If there was a 13-year-old in the house waiting for candy, you would think that would have come up. You would think the younger boy might have observed all the emergency vehicles outside earlier, too. I conclude from this that there was no younger boy in the house. That is a deduction, not an assumption, if you're keeping score at home.)
Martin definitely did not have a younger brother of his own. His mother told ABC News that he was her youngest. The NBA All-Star Game was on that evening. Tip-off was seven minutes after Martin was pronounced dead at the scene. Yet other stories persist that he went out during halftime for the Skittles.
In other words, there are a whole lot of things that keep getting repeated in story after story, even though (as in the case of the Skittles) many would be utterly irrelevant, even if they were true.
Martin's girlfriend said he told her somebody was following him. She told him to run. He said he wasn't going to run, just walk fast. A little later, she heard Martin say, "Why are you following me?", and another voice asked "What are you doing around here?" Then there was a scuffle, and the call dropped. The call ended at 7:12 pm, and the cops arrived at 7:17 to find Martin dead.
We do not know when Zimmerman pulled his gun ~ nor do we know how far away he was from Martin when he fired. Such things have not been revealed.
Earlier there was an article posted by Massad Ayoob, a well-known firearms and self-defense instructor. He reports that the condition of the gun is consistent with a struggle over it:
The death weapon was a Kel-Tec PF9 semiautomatic 9mm pistol. It has been reported that the gun was recovered with a full magazine and that only the chambered round had been fired. This is a condition we associate with something preventing the gun from cycling a fresh round from the magazine into the chamber after the shot was discharged. One thing that can cause that is another man’s hand wrapped around the pistol, retarding its slide mechanism. This would indicate, as could certain gunshot residue patterns or cuts in certain places if found on Trayvon Martin’s hand(s), that a struggle for a gun was taking place when the fatal shot was fired.
Zimmerman’s father issued a statement that he was Hispanic.
I hadn’t seen that anywhere. Is there a source?
In other words, there are a whole lot of things that keep getting repeated in story after story, even though (as in the case of the Skittles) many would be utterly irrelevant, even if they were true.
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I want to sort it out because I want to know if the media is making this stuff up.
There are a lot of things the cops haven't told anybody. I presume they'll be telling the grand jury about it.
I still get the log-in page. Do they only let you view the story once?
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I give his mother a lot of leeway. I've lost a son myself and it is devastating enough without media attention. I also wouldn't consider her a source for any facts about that night. She wasn't there - not even in the same city.
But it also makes me wonder what all Trayvon’s father has told her, too. I don’t know why but I’ve been puzzling and wondering about the dad for a few days now. It is also interesting that the dad says it is not Trayvon on the tape, now he says it is? He also didn’t hunt Trayvon straight away.
Well, it was the local news saying that Trayvon's father had told them it did not sound like his son. There is also a witness who made a statement to the police that he saw Zimmerman on the ground yelling for help, so it doesn't much matter what anybody thinks the voice sounds like. I give the dad a lot of leeway, too, but he did not witness anything.
The Skittles story could have come from Trayvon’s girlfriend, maybe? She was supposedly on the phone on and off the whole time he walked to and from the store. Maybe Trayvon told her he was going to get his little brother Skittles?
Could be. It gets repeated everyplace, and I just wonder where it came from, especially since other parts of the story are clearly false. I also wonder why it really matters, you know? I mean isn't it enough to say he was headed to his dad's house in the neighborhood? None of the rest makes him any more innocent.
So, to you, Trayvon’s death is reasonable to pay for the injury of a white kid?
There seems to be an awful lot of people with an interest in lifting the lid from Pandora’s box...
My personal guess is the equipment locker room to get a football or something minor like that.
anybody remember when dungarees....now "jeans" and a "hoodie" was just a sweatshirt with a hood....that the farmer kids wore?....
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