Posted on 01/31/2012 6:07:28 AM PST by Mr. K
I heard Romney on Hannity the other day and he DID NOT SAY he would repeal ObamaCare - he specifically said "repeal the more onerous parts of it"
I think even Hannity missed that commend
Do we need 2/3'rds in both Houses for repeal or just a majority?
Can it be superceeded with another piece of legisation that lets say inacts many other reforms our side has discussed and make Obamacare null and void?
“The second is what has been caricatured as the Death Panel, but is in fact a living will...”
I don’t know where you get your ideas regarding the IPAB Death Panels, but you are 100% wrong.
Please explain how a government panel dictating which operations a patient is legally allowed to seek is “similar to” a living will?
The key difference that you, and many others, miss is that in a living will, the PATIENT makes decisions for himself.
But the opposite is true with OmoslemCare, wherein a panel of BUREAUCRATS makes those decisions, then tells the patient what decisions have been made regarding their medical care — based upon a “life-years” cost calculation of age-vs-cost.
In other words, this “living will” you mention is a bunch of Neo Nazis in a conference room, consulting a chart of price vs age, to determine whether they’ll allow Grandma to get the operation she needs.... Or whether they’ll deny her that medical care and send her home with a bottle of Oxycodone to zone out and die.
Just as the Nazis practiced, it’s a great way to kill folks who have “outlived their usefulness” as workers.
That’s some “living will.” More like a Death Warrant.
Ode to the Grand Olde Party, and their BFF, the Obamanator.
When Newt or Paul rocks the GOP Establishment Boat,
The GOP oarsmen pull knives from their boots.
The hacking and slashing puts extreme fighting to shame,
Never, no NEVER rock the GOP Establishment Boat!
The GOP cannot win elections, by choice of their suits,
A RINO Nominee is a Democrat, - - - - one and the same.
Two Party as One Party is what they adore.
“Never give voters a choice,” ( or politicians
Are out of life-time jobs, - - forever more).
As we pay our bills holding our noses as we vote,
The Obamanator holds his cold, steel knife
To America’s throat - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - .
The Death Panel is a living will only in the sense of letting a committee of strangers write your living will on the spot with respect to what they estimate is the cost of your care and the value of your life, converted to dollars.
The "living will" provision punishes doctors who don't make a documented effort to obtain a living will. It also punishes doctors whose patients change their minds once they get sick. What's that about? Well, consider this: Most healthy people are horrified at the idea of severe illness or injury, so they are likely to state while they are healthy that this or that condition would be intolerable pain, or too great a hardship on family, or too humiliating to live with and reflect these fears in "living wills," but if they later get into one of these "intolerable" conditions, they tend to find they can live with it after all and change their minds. The authors of the Law know this, so they included the "Don't let your patient change his mind" provision. The doctor has a problem of possible divided loyalties: How much of a financial punishment would he be willing to take before he tries to influence the patient not to change his "living will?"
So, we have the inherent inserting of politics in individual healthcare decisions and we have the bonus effect of built-in division of the loyalties of doctors. To suggest that government control of your medical bills and your "living will" is in any way better than your own judgment in these matters, is anti-Conservative.
On the flip side, Gingrich said:
Gingrich on Obama’s healthcare law: ‘About 300 pages are pretty good’ By James Klatell - 09/30/11 08:56 AM ET
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) called for an immediate repeal of President Obama's healthcare law but would reinstate "a little over 10 percent" of it.
He made the remarks on Thursday in Iowa, when he introduced a new version of his "Contract with America."
We have heard of that. The photo of the bill signing has been around forever.
Why does the image of Garrett Morris (as VD Amin), holding a piece of swiss cheese come to mind?
And - if I actually read all 2000-odd pages of the bill - I'd likely agree with Gingrich in that there's probably 10% of Obamacare that makes some sense. However, I'm not in favor of swallowing the other 90% to get the productive bits. Dump it all, then decide if those "good pieces" are worth pursuit.
All that having been said, I don't believe a single word that comes out of any politican's mouth. :-) Especially when they're trying to get re-elected.
IMHO, it's a choice between Democrat-lite Romney, Paul and Santorum, neither of whom is qualified (but I think that Santorum might be a good VP to get some seasoning for 2016 or 2020) ... and Gingrich. Gingrich is decidedly *not* a nice guy. IMHO, 2012 is going to be an ugly election, and Conservatives need someone who doesn't play well with others to take the fight to Obama. I wish there were better choices, but we need to play the hand we're dealt.
Romney would have a lot more credibility if he admitted that Romneycare, which was the model for Obamacare, was a costly mistake that drove up health care costs and did little to address the problem of the uninsured.
The Federal government may not have the authority to do either one of those, but that’s not for you or me to decide.
That’s why we have a Supreme Court to rule on the Consitutionality of the laws the legislature passes. I’m very interested to see what they say about the individual mandate. I certainly see how it could be seen to be unconstitutional.
I agree that there are MANY things that we can and should do do to improve health care.
But the first is to REPEAL and totally WIPE OUT any influence of the fatally-flawed totalitarian death-culture-based obamacare!!!! That includes also the health-related aspects of that “stimulus” bill, such as Federalizing electronic health records so that bureaucrats can spy on and interfere in doctor-patient relationships.
The reforms that you mentioned are all good. One other thing is to learn from American communities that have improved coverage and quality while lowering costs and eschewing rationing. That information should be put on the Internet (here might be a good role for the Federal government) so that other States and communities might VOLUNTARILY implement changes based on what they have learned.
The Internet postings should be made interactive, so that States and communities might discuss difficulties in their locality implementing what has been done in the “improved heath care” localities, and other issues. Then learning and improvement could be made continuous as well.
Mark Steyn is always a great read, and in some cases, prescient. A while back he said that Republicans were like the Conservatives in Europe, who never undo a new Socialist law, just claim they can “make it more efficient”.
But traditional American Conservatives now find themselves suddenly without a natural home, as the GOP leadership has migrated not only leftward but inward toward the centers of political power (Washington and New York) and away from the Heartland.
Nature may abhor a vacuum, but so far, all I hear from this campaign is one giant sucking sound.
Yes.
But it doesn’t help the Gingrich campaign to ream Romney for wanting to repeal only “some” of Obamacare when, basically, Gingrich wants to do the same thing.
That would be an ugly surprise to some people.
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