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To: GregNH
There are no pictures of baby Obama. Even if he was born in a manger Hawaiian Hut to SAD, married or not, there would be pictures at some point before 3 years of age. IMO SAD was asked to become a nanny for a 3 year old and the Grandmother knew just how to make it look like the kid was legit, a divorce. It wasn't until Zero wanted, or was chosen, to become Prez that they had to go back and create an identity. Even himself until that point was calling himself a Kenyan. Hence the book, the stolen Virginia's BC, ect.

That is too much speculation upon which to base a solid theory. The fact that we haven't seen pictures of him under three proves nothing. My family has no pictures of me at that age. I know lots of people for whom this is true. Whether the Grandmother used a divorce to create a birth record, or did it from the very beginning is not in evidence, nor do we even know for sure that she did it at all. We also do not know that Virginia's birth certificate was commandeered by Obama. All of that stuff is speculation.

It is useful for thinking up theories to explore different possibilities, but it is not useful for narrowing the theories down to provable or not. To prove a theory, we must have facts which ARE proven.

I do not doubt at all that Hawaii learned of Barack Obama on August 4th, 1961. I do not accept that the newspaper announcements were forged, or created after the fact. I think the evidence for that is only speculative and inconclusive. At the moment I believe it is far more likely that those newspaper announcements are real, and reflect what was entered into the record at that time.

597 posted on 01/21/2012 9:25:01 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

We have NOTHING that is proven.

And the best physical evidence we have suggests that the announcements did not come from the HDOH office in the first place, and that none of the microfilms that are in the libraries now are the ones that were in those libraries in 1961 - even though some with the wear and tear are clearly pretending to be the original microfilms from then.

I have in my possession the claim by the HDOH that they had no birth record for Virginia Sunahara AND a copy of the birth index page where her name is listed. Those are mutually-exclusive contradictory claims. That has to be explained. Duncan Sunahara is trying to get to the bottom of this but the HDOH is refusing to give him a photocopy of his sister’s original BC. They are breaking the law rather than show that to him. That should tell us something.

I have tried my level-best to avoid speculation about what happened. I have tried to focus all my attention on just the documents we actually have and whether they can be authentic. The physical evidence suggests that there are huge problems.


622 posted on 01/21/2012 9:51:44 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: DiogenesLamp
I do not doubt at all that Hawaii learned of Barack Obama on August 4th, 1961. I do not accept that the newspaper announcements were forged, or created after the fact. I think the evidence for that is only speculative and inconclusive. At the moment I believe it is far more likely that those newspaper announcements are real, and reflect what was entered into the record at that time.

I certainly do not wish to argue the announcement theories but I think differently having been involved to some degree in that investigation personally. I do believe they are fabricated. But in either case it is not conclusive of anything without records of back up.

669 posted on 01/21/2012 11:19:04 AM PST by GregNH (I am so ready to join a brigade of pick up trucks......)
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