A Romney Nomination Means Independent Runs from BOTH Trump and Ron Paul? You Bet Your Sweet Bippy!!!

Reaganite Republican ^ | January 12, 2012 | Reaganite Republican

[Reaganite Republican]

If you weren't an adult (or were living in a cave) in 1992, I'm here to tell you that any independent run on the Right that pulls over 2-3% means four more years of Obama...
this election is way, way too close for us to allow anything like that to develop. (and some people wonder why I'm backing Newt).

Yes, a dissed-n-pissed Trump is a serious potential problem we just don't need... but that's precisely what we're looking at now. He's already bolted the party, has an axe to grind, and can easily fund a substantial campaign. The Donald wouldn't need many votes to torpedo Mittens, and would at minimum do some heavy damage to the RNC's golden boy in the run-up to November.

Recall that Donald Trump has repeatedly threatened to launch an independent campaign -think H. Ross Perot on cocaine- if the GOP 'picks the wrong candidate'.  He's also met and made nice with each and every Republican presidential hopeful save Romney, Paul, and Huntsman... in other words, any of the top three in New Hampshire and Trump's in. Since Mitt is the only one of them with a prayer of winning the nomination, you tell me who he's talking about.

But a Trump third-party presidential run would be a disaster for the GOP... and the nation, as Barack Obama would thereby be handed all the time he needs to finish pounding traditional America into smithereens.

Alas- it's kind of hard for me to get all over Trump for it when 

l largely agree what he's trying to force from the DC party establishment. I don't want him as president, but the source of the problem lies elsewhere:
he wouldn't be threatening to run if there wasn't a (highly effective) conspiracy afoot to pick-off Romney's challengers one-by-one.

In addition, a Romney nomination is the one single thing that

all but ensures an indy run (or damaging fight-on to a brokered Republican National Convention) from Ron Paul... great!  

An obstinate stand by this cult voter block could cost us dearly, since the Republican Party is in no position to just write-off major factions in an election of such dire circumstance
(vs. systematically-cheating opponents). This is likely what Sarah Palin was recently referring to when she warned not to marginalize or ignore the Ron Paul libertarians... hey, 

I'd like to see the Fed audited too-

Conservatives do need to all get on the same page- and quick. Any serious independent presidential campaigns on the Right -pushing divisions right on into November-
are exactly the opposite of what we need to save this country from the ongoing 'progress' of the Obammunist Left.

But who's to blame for this now-unfolding predicament? Those trying to force the GOP to listen to the TEA Party at long last...
or a GOP Beltway establishment hell-bent on ramming the unloved Mitt Romney down your throat?

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[dila813]

I would bet money both of them would run

[ScottinVA]

SCOTUS justices Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia turn 76 this year. There is a very strong possibility of one of them being replaced. Your disdain for Romney aside.. are you SURE you’re OK with Obama making the nominations for their replacements (knowing the Senate GOP’s lack of success maintaining filibusters)?

[Proud2BeRight]

I hope Paul runs 3rd party. His support comes mostly from the anti-Constitution, anti-US defense leftists and conspiracy nut and dope-using libertarians so Obama and the the Libertarian Party candidate will lose the most votes. Trump running, however, would take away RINO Romney votes.

[Fresh Wind]

If Paul runs 3rd party, he’s going to pull votes from both establishment parties, as did Perot. But, in this case, he could hurt King Barry more than he helps him as the left wing crazies that voted DemocRat en masse in 2008 will flock to Paul as we already saw in Iowa and New Hampshire.

[ScottinVA]

Unlike ‘92, these 2 guys might drain more votes from disaffected Obama supporters. The anti-Obama crowd will not dilute their vote this time.

No way. "Disaffected" Obama supporters are annoyed at him for not destroying the country enough. They aren't going to look to billionaire Trump or nutcase Paul to vent their frustrations.

[Old Retired Army Guy]

Get used to it. Romney will be the nominee. Newt has shot himself in the foot and he is history. Trump is too smart to waste his money on a 3rd party run. Ron Paul will stay in the Rep. race all the way to the convention so he can get some platform concessions and will not run as a 3rd party for the sake of his son. Now is the time for everybody to focus on the objective which is defeating Obama.

[Retired Greyhound]

Paul won’t run 3rd Party. It would damage Rand’s budding political career.

Trump is a wild-card. Hard to predict what he will do, though I suspect he will also stay out. He is handsomely paid for his reality show.

I would rather Romney beat Obama, and then we can primary him in 2016.

[ScottinVA]

I would bet money both of them would run

One or both. The damage would differ only in the size of Obama's victory. It's folly to think democrats are going to come over to vote for Paul or Trump in any appreciable numbers.

[Niteranger68]

Unlike ‘92, these 2 guys might drain more votes from disaffected Obama supporters.

I'm with you. If Ron Paul were to disappear from the planet today, I'd bet 3/4 of his followers would not support ANY Republican...now or in the future. I also have no doubt that Trump would pull a lot of the dumbass vote...mostly liberals.

[ZX12R]

Doesn’t this kinda assume that we might win with Romney and no third party run? I’m not sure there’s a predicament here. I think we lose either way, if Romney is the pick.

[Cold Heart]

Perry was ready to drop out. I wonder who might have talked or paid him into staying?

[wolfman23601]

Ron Paul might actually win the 4 way race.

[ScottinVA]

I’m not sure there’s a predicament here. I think we lose either way, if Romney is the pick.

It's this: There is a chance Obama could be defeated without a third-party interference. With Paul or Trump in the mix, that chance is gone... completely. Say hello to at least four more years of Obama.

[johnthebaptistmoore]

IMHO, Donald Trump was planning to run for ‘12 POTUS as an Independent, no matter what. Donald is a leftist Democrat pretending to be a conservative Republican (NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg does much of the same thing.). Rep. Ron Paul is so unpredictable that I’m not so sure what he would do, even though Ron has said, several times, that he wouldn’t run for ‘12 POTUS as an Independent or from a third political party but would stay in the GOP. I’m, still, profoundly frustrated that BO is, probably, the worst POTUS, ever, but the GOP may end up losing the ‘12 POTUS race to BO, anyways!

[ZX12R]

Ron Paul might actually win the 4 way race.

Paul's chances are as good as the Broncos winning the superbowl. Concievable? Yes. Possible? Maybe. Likely? Lottery odds of that happening.

[ScottinVA]

If Paul and Trump enter as indies, let’s make at least a fun ride by drafting Palin to run on a 5th party ticket. It’ll be a lost cause, but it’ll be entertaining.

[CainConservative]

Since the nominee will either be Newt, Santorum, or God forbid, Willard, Trump will NOT run as he has explained again and again on Fox, but Uncle Nutjob WILL.

[Daveinyork]

Wait a minute. Are you saying that Romney isn’t the most conservative electible candidate? I’m shocked, shocked!!

[ZX12R]

It's this: There is a chance Obama could be defeated without a third-party interference. With Paul or Trump in the mix, that chance is gone... completely. Say hello to at least four more years of Obama.

I wish I could be as optimistic as you, but I see Romney as McCain without Sarah Palin, and we have the same election over again.

[Astronaut]

Yeah, voting for Trump will really teach the Establishment a lesson! Boy, you’ll really make a point! Those Establishment types will really sit up and take notice when you vote for a-hole Trump.

Four more years of Obama and it wont matter. Your freedom will be gone. The economy will be in ruins. The collapse will be total. Dont like Romney? Well get over it! It seems like he will be the nominee, so you can vote for him, or any other vote you cast or dont cast is as good as a vote for Obama. Is he perfect? No. Is he 1000x better than Hussein Obama? Of course. So grow up!