[A_perfect_lady]

Remember, they start at the end and work backwards. "There must be a God" is not their starting point. It's their end point. No matter what explanation you ask for, they mentally add "that includes God" before they even start to think about it.

Examples above include these ideas that Emmanuel is a nickname or codeword for Jesus ("so see, he really DID fulfill the prophecy") and that a married couple hadn't had sex so he could still be of a Virgin, and of course, the promise Jesus gave to return in the disciples' lifetime MUST have REALLY meant that... um... one of them would have a dream about it. Yeah, that's it. They work backwards. Every time.

[grey_whiskers]

I take it back. You're not stupid. Well, you're not *just* stupid.

You're also a troll.

Examples above include these ideas that Emmanuel is a nickname or codeword for Jesus ("so see, he really DID fulfill the prophecy") and that a married couple hadn't had sex so he could still be of a Virgin, and of course, the promise Jesus gave to return in the disciples' lifetime MUST have REALLY meant that... um... one of them would have a dream about it.

Emmanuel *is* a name for Jesus -- think of the hymn "O Come O Come Emmanuel". Just because people now call Jesus "Emmanuel" doesn't make it a *refutation* of the prophesy.

A married couple hadn't had sex so He could still be of a Virgin?

So that explains why Joseph was going to divorce her quietly once he found out she was pregnant? Because *he'd* been sleeping with her?

and of course, the promise Jesus gave to return in the disciples' lifetime MUST have REALLY meant that... um... one of them would have a dream about it.

Give me chapter and verse: and with it, the archeological and textual evidence upon which you consider this verse reliable, otherwise you're just lying.

Cheers!